Mid range dishwasher help. Concerned about Bosch drying!

3 years ago

We’re in the market for a new dishwasher and overwhelmed with the differing reviews for seemingly very similar products. While I know many people love Bosch, the drying issues concern me. We have four kids and have quite a bit of plastic/melamine dishes. If these will consistently come out of the dishwasher wet, that will drive me crazy.

I was leaning towards a Kitchenaid, since we’ve had them before and like the look. There’s also lots of GEs on the market. Help!! I’m looking at around the $800-$1000 range.

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darbuka

3 years ago

last modified: 3 years ago

Bosch has a new drying system, called ChrystalDry, which addresses the plastics issue.

Be forewarned...delivery on dishwashers for most major brands have been delayed, due to COVID-19.

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wdccruise
3 years ago
Unfortunately, the so-called CrystalDry dishwashers start at over $1000 -- not mid-range -- but Appliances Connection does say it has some in stock.
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And to add on to my previous post and help clear up some of the differences I will talk about European vs. American dishwashers. Traditionally, the two functional differences between the two have been drying and filtration. American dishwashers had the grinder (like the GE you're looking at) whereas European dishwashers have a cleanable filters. This is becoming less so, because American dishwashers are moving more and more towards the European method of filtration. Pretty much all the top of the line dishwashers (including my GE) have the cleanable filters, and I believe Whirlpool has migrated completely to this in all their brands. I have to say, having had the grinder in my old Kitchenaid, I don't really miss it. I was worried at first about the filter being high maintenance, but it really isn't. As for drying/heating the base system for American dishwashers is a dual purpose heating element at the bottom that both heats the water for washing/rinsing and heats the air for drying if you pick that option. If you step up you'll get a fan that actually moves air as well as heating it. Basic European dishwashers like that Bosch will just have condensation drying. The pros to this are that its energy efficient and doesn't need that big heating element at the bottom. This means they can use a smaller inline water heater which does a better job heating the water for washing. If you step up in European dishwashers you get a fan also. I think the fan makes a big difference. I would guess the reason my Kitchenaid out-dried my GE though is instead of having a single purpose element, it had a separate element as part of the drying blower. So instead of relying on the big element at the bottom to heat the air for drying, preheated air was blown into the tub. To my knowledge there aren't any dishwashers with that design produced anymore.
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I read jwvideo's link to the Sweethome site's review, and I learned a lot from it. Although they recommend the Bosch 300 series M, it has several features I don't like: the condensation-dry method is not good for drying plastic containers, and we use a lot of those. We also don't run the DW late at night, but rather, in the daytime, so we need those dishes and pots to dry right away. I also don't like the idea of cleaning the filter monthly (knowing me, it just wouldn't always happen, and then I'd have bigger problems). Also, I like to remove the silverware basket when putting away those items, and a third rack isn't removable. So the article actually helped steer me toward a DW that offers heated-dry and either a self-maintaining filter or a masticator (disposal). I guess the third rack is still an option, though. On paper, the KitchenAid and Maytag both sound good, although the Maytag isn't as quiet, but I'm concerned about the negative experiences some of you have had with the KitchenAid. I still have an open mind about other brands and models, but now I have a better idea of what I'm looking for. As for price, I will have to check whether the dealers offer installation/haul away for free; otherwise, I'll have to (mentally) include that in the overall price. Many thanks for your help! Sue
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mxk3 z5b_MI
3 years ago
I bought a Bosch back in June 2020 and have had no problems with drying plastics.
jakeseacrest
3 years ago
Whirlpool has one that has a fan dry. Don’t know if that helps. Good luck
Brandi McClure
3 years ago
We have a Bosch and kid's so most definitely understand the plastic. We had the same problem and then made sure to keep it topped off with JetDry and have never had another problem!
Toronto Veterinarian
3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago
I have a mid-range Bosch, and there are some small lingering water issues on plastic, but really only where there are depressions in plastic (eg in lids or plastic screw threads) - not on something flat like plates. For me, the benefits outweigh having to dry those few things on a drying rack.
clt3
3 years ago
No problem on hard plastics like melamine. I prefer to wash soft plastics like tupperware by hand.
Michelle
3 years ago
When I moved into my husbands home after we got married, he thought I was crazy when I told him theres something wrong with his newer Bosch dishwasher because it wouldn't dry plastics. He said thats how all dishwashers work, but I insisted that my old one dried just fine. Getting fed up with the plastics always being wet, I did some research and found out you have to use JetDry with the Bosch (which I personally think is absurd they would make a dishwasher that requires it to work effectively and a scam to get you to spend more money). I was also able to change some of the default settings to make it dry better. With the setting change and always having to use jetdry, it dries much better, but I also got rid of most of our plastics. We have twin 1yo girls now and have been using Silicone dishes for them which works well. But if we move to more plastics, I might just go crazy and have to get a new dishwasher.
dadoes
3 years ago
Many dishwashers nowadays, including Bosch, use the condensation drying method. The final rinse water is heated and drying involves the machine's tank cooling faster than the dishware which entices residual moisture on the dishwasher to condense onto the tank (and eventually evaporate and/or run down to the bottom). Rinse aid is a planned, engineered-in part of the process.

Plastics don't hold heat as effectively as glass and crockery so they don't dry as well with the condensation method. Melamine usually does OK.

Canceling the cycle and opening the door immediately after the final rinse water drains will allow the residual heat to flash-dry the dishware, which is a workaround for consumers who refuse to use rinse aid. Leaving the door ajar after unloading also allows the residual condensation on the machine's tank to evaporate.
Tothemoon21
3 years ago
I can confirm that the Bosch with CrystalDry works VERY well on plastics. Purchased one over the summer and it is the best. If drying plastics is the goal then a couple hundred dollars more is well worth it. Also do not have to worry about a large heating element in the bottom causing further damage to any items best left for hand washing.
ikmsrd23
3 years ago
What did you end up buying? Looking for a new one (same kiddo’s plates/bottles issue )

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