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Golden Celebration question

3 years ago

How bad is Golden Celebration with blackspot? I'm zone 5, humid summers. Anything else notable you can tell me about GC?

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seil zone 6b MI

3 years ago

I live just north of Detroit on Lake St. Clair. I probably have very similar conditions to yours. GC is one of my oldest roses, probably 20 years old. Yes, it does black spot, but then what doesn't here in the Great Lakes fish bowl state, lol It will bloom anyway. It does like to get quite tall so I have mine on a trellis. The limbs are very supple and easy to train and tying it up makes it easier to see (and smell) the heavenly blooms that nod down.

If you want something more upright you could also try Graham Thomas. Also can spot but still a beauty. A little smaller in size and a brighter yellow but still a good fragrance.

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Dave5bWY
3 years ago
I don mean to discourage you from trying GC but it was very susceptible to BS for me - much worse than one of it’s parents - Abraham Darby. I also rarely had the golden blooms - they were more apricot . Anyway, after a few years I SP’d it. I would definitely try it again in a drier climate, though.
Diane Brakefield
3 years ago
First of all, mxk, I don't even have blackspot on any rose here in my dry desert climate, zone 7 (we have definite winters). But I have grown Golden Celebration since about 2007, and for me, it's one of my top 3 or 4 Austins. GC blooms continuously, and it's huge and graceful. I love it's color, and it makes a perfect neighbor to Boscobel and Augusta Luise. Diane
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Diane Brakefield
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erasmus_gw
3 years ago
Mine is definitely more bs prone than many other Austins but I would not want to be without it. Mine grew from a tiny cutting about 3" tall so I think it has good vigor and does well own-root. It's very fragrant and has fairly good repeat.

In this last picture I think the bloom on the right looks like it's whispering in the ear of the bloom in the middle.

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mxk3 z5b_MI
Original Author
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Thanks, all. I'm on the fence -- I don't want to deal with blackspot. I know Austin's aren't immune and I've seen it mentioned in old posts GC tends to get it. The two DA Royal Jubilee I have are such a joy and have been disease-free, I don't want to take any chances. But, since the GC would be going in the front of the house not close to the RJ's, I might take a chance. Debating, debating....
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