How to get rid of grass and start new blackberry trellis?
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Comments (7)Well I use the Lasagna method and completely organic in my beds and garden. But I do it a bit differently than most, and you are not going to like what I say, but it works. When I start a new bed, I start in the fall. I first hit the area with Round UP, wait a week and hit it again, then wait another week. Then I just scalp the area and remove the debris. OK here is my secret. I donÂt use newspaper, I use heavy duty card board and lay is down on the dead grass, then build up the bed with whatever I got. Wait till spring, plant, and use a heavy layer of Mulch. Now I am in TX, but with you being in GA, Bermuda will try to invade, there is just no way around it. If you have the beds built up correctly, it is very easy to control by just pulling what shows up. I promise you the grass growing along the edge of the bed will see that nice fertile moist soil, and it will cross the barrier to get in....See MoreHow to get rid of grass to prepare soil for flowers
Comments (18)This is an excellent question with few good answers. The time to deal with the compaction issue is before you plant. Once the plants, especially trees, are in the ground, your options are limited. That is one of the biggest reasons why I am no fan of lasagna gardening. Once everything is in the ground, it is a little late to be going back to what should have been done in the first place. However, not all is lost. A reasonably easy solution to compaction problems is raised beds. Although not very common in Iowa, in places where bedrock is near the surface, you have little other choice if you want to garden. Of course, where bedrock is deep but compaction is a problem, the old solution favored by the British was to double dig their garden beds. In other words, they would remove the soil a full spade depth, set it aside and dig yet another full spade depth. Amendments were added as the bed was refilled. This is a tried and true method that works extremely well. Unfortunately, it is also backbreaking work. Most people are unwilling to expend this much energy and are looking for easier methods. Hence, the popularity of lasagna gardening; which is actually only a slight modification of Ruth Stouts method written about decades before a slick marketing name was given to it. Hey, if you are currently using the lasagna method and are pleased with the results, have at it. It is certainly much better than not gardening at all. However, be honest with yourself and realize that it does have limitations. It is not a cure-all. Quite frankly, one should have enough common sense to realize that if it sounds too good to be true  it probably is. Soil compaction is not eliminated; it is only masked to the uninformed. The way that I addressed the issue of soil compaction was to deal with it when my house was being built  a narrow window of opportunity not afforded to most of us very often. I subsoiled my entire yard to a depth of about 16 inches. (Make sure you call for the utilities to be located, first.) I then incorporated truckloads of compost into the soil as deeply as possible with a tractor-mounted rototiller. And then, most importantly, I kept all heavy vehicle traffic OFF. As I built my garden beds, I incorporated even more compost into those areas and now walk only on the paths. As to the original question of this thread: At my older homes, I eliminated grass by cutting it off with a sharp spade (a sod cutter would work well) and then threw the sod into the bottom of the beds that I was double digging. I further amended nasty, yellow clay by using an old Karen Strohbeen garden soil formula: 30% soil, 30% coarse sand & 30% compost. The soil was tilled and the results were wonderful. I gained supplementary benefits of modified raised beds due to the additional materials and air space. On existing beds, whenever I lifted plants for dividing and/or replacement, I took the opportunity to dig down and create "Karen Strohbeen soil". Of course, at times I hit big tree roots so you just do the best you can. I realize that there are many more ways to do things than the ones I have chosen. Also there are many, many other extenuating factors to consider. For one, I am a big strong guy. If I asked my wife to double dig a new garden bed, she would probably use the spade to double whack me! My preference now is to use my 40 hp tractor to pull a subsoiler. Not all people have a tractor. Some have health issues that demand they use less strenuous methods. For many of these people, lasagna gardening can provide an attractive option. However, sometimes the claims I have heard people making, approach that of a snake oil salesman. Life is full of compromises and tradeoffs  and this is just another example. Every coin has two sides. IronBelly...See MoreHow to get rid of grass?
Comments (8)The easiest way depends somewhat on how much of your energy and effort you are willing to put into it. Depending on your final goal - planting what? trees, flowers, vegs? and on the type of grass (johnson is a horror, fescue easy) the most effect method is one of the forms of lasagna. The more difficult the original grass, then the thicker the first/bottommost layer of sopping paper should be. This is because altho lasagna is best known as quick way of making plantable soil, the bottom layer is the one which smothers the bed's original growth. The alternating layers which build the lasagna are the ones that gradually decompose into good soil while blocking light from the grass/weeds under the first layer. Basically, you figure out just where you want the bed; outline it (I do recommend an edging barrier to prevent intrusion from the adjoining lawn); gather the materials; put down at least 1/4" and preferably 1/2" sopping wet newspaper on top of the grass [unmowed is fine] - unless you have johnson grass or large briars which require a 1" first layer to smother; then work upwards with a green layer - fresh organic material/ 3 to 5 sheets wet newspaper/ a sprinkle of composted manure or bloodmeal/ a brown layer (shredded leaves are great)/ and repeat until the layers measure 12" to 18" high/ finish with 2" of organic mulch such as shredded leaves. The thickness of each layer is mostly a matter of personal preference, most common is build 2" thick layers of green or brown. Be sure all layers are the dampness of a well-squeezed sponge, and check weekly to add water when your poked finger comes out dryish. The lasagna will shrink to 25%-35% of the fresh height after a year. You can plant annuals in the fresh lasagna immediately (most seem to adore it) but, due to the shrinkage, I would wait 6 months to a year before planting perennials. I have read of folks who simply put down thin cardboard or 10 sheets of paper with a 3" mulch - which I do not consider to be lasagna - and then poked holes and planted immediately. Folks say it works, but when I tried it, my grass just paused until the mulch thinned and then grew like mad. OTOH, when I plant trees or shrubs *and* if the basic soil is suitable, the thin layer is fine because the tree/shrub could be planted immediately *and* I would be careful to keep the mulch at least 3" at all times. Keep in mind that while lasagna is a fast and effective way to convert lawn to planting beds, it does require an astounding amount of material for the layers and a fair amount of labor to build the layers. However, you can start at one end of the bed, build a very small lasagna of about a yard square, and then just add more yard-square sections as you obtain the materials. Remember to build high before you build wide....See Morehow do i get rid of chives in the grass?
Comments (3)Allow a bl**dy great geranium palmatum to grow over them and choke them to death. At least, this method has worked well for me. As I no longer have any chives you could send me your spares? Only joking ;-)...See Morecatfishhoward
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