2nd Floor Laundry Room
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Comments (5)I have a 2nd floor laundry "closet" -- just the washer & dryer, both full size, in a closet with folding doors. When I remodeled, I had a floor drain installed in the floor, and had ceramic tile laid onto the floor, along with tile wainscoting. I wanted to ensure there would be no leaks from this closet. Everything works well, no rattling/shaking going on, and it's been in place for nearly 5 years. I'm delighted with the results. The tile closet opens onto hardwood floors. Both the hardwood floors and the tiled floors are laid on top of sub-flooring that's made of particle board, if I remember correctly....See More2nd Floor Laundry Room question
Comments (4)Ask yourself how confident you be of any drain if there were a burst hose pouring out 500 gallons an hour. Do you think a burst hose will cooperate and pour all that water into your nice new drain. Imagine that happening when you are at work, out for the evening or away on vacation. Will the drain promise to stay open and clear if it is handling 500 gallons an hour for 8 hours, two days, a week? I'm sorry, but anyone who says it is enough to have a drain has not lived through this, thinking through this and/or done the research. Second to ruptured refrigerator ice maker hoses, ruptured washing machine hoses are the most common home owners insurance claim. When this occurs the water damage is unbelievable. 5 figures in damages easy, then all the hassle and worry about mold, mildew and drying out your house. The key to any upstairs laundry installation is in redundancy - multiple preventative measures - with a drain being perhaps the last line and not at all the most effective. First, you want a manual shut off handy so you can turn off the water supply to the valves/hoses when you are away for long periods. Second, you want the best hoses you can get. I have a Miele washer and despite its $2000 price, I threw the hoses that came with it right in the trash and use these - Floodcheck. They are unbelievably well constructed and not expensive. http://www.safehomeproducts.com/shp2/sm/flood-chek.aspx Third, you need an electronic shut off valve with leak sensor. I use the Burst Buster. I had tried the Watts Intelliflow, but it failed after one year. It was junk and the Burstbuster is much better. http://www.aymcdonald.com/burstbuster.cfm Forth you could install a pan. The pan may or may not have a drain connected to it. However, despite the back up problem your plumber brought up, what about the drain trap drying out? All drains need to have a p trap. The trap serves an important purpose in keeping sewer gas out of your home. How does it do this? There is always a small amount of water in the trap that acts as a barrier. In a laundry pan drain you will never run water through that drain so it will dry out and as a result sewer gas will enter your home. Ask your plumber how he can give you a drain that wont back up AND won't dry out AND be in code? I'm sorry to sound preachy, but I see the same bad advice on these forums over and over. Drains present many problems and expense, but their purpose is to deal with a failure (leak). You need to concentrate most on multiple ways of *preventing* that failure in the first place. Right? Actually "leak" is the wrong word. "Torrent" is more appropriate when it comes to washing machine hoses. Do you have a washer in your basement?Just for fun, take off the hose and turn it on while pointing it into the sink. Picture that happening in your upstairs...See More2nd floor laundry room - noise/vibration
Comments (4)SQ Home "soft mount" front loaders should never be confused with SQ hard mount commercial laundry equipment. They are two completely different equipment types with different mounting requirements. The new SQ home soft-mount has twin liquid balance rings with balancing weights moving around in those liquid rings. When the weights move around in the rings, they counteract some of the out of balance load that may be in your clothes load before those forces then pass through the shock absorbers, and ultimately to your floor. The result is the energy that would normally be produced as a load into the floor is internally offset, resulting in lower loads applied to the floor and overall smoother vibration. Remember, a soft-mount washer has shock absorbers, that when properly tuned, absorb about 85-90% of the load that would normally otherwise be transferred into the floor. So, to illustrate what ends up hitting your floor, let's assume that the SQ soft-mount FLW had 20 lbs of clothes in it, had a 20% off-balance, ran at 400G, and that the shocks could counter 90% of the vibration. And with no knowledge of what the SQ liquid rings can counteract, let's guess half of the off balance, or 10% and that machine capacity. Doing the math, 20 lb x 0.10 x 400 G = 800 lb before shocks; 80 lbs after shocks would actually hit your floor. Since the machine probably weighs 250 lbs, the oscillating load into the floor is not enough to lift the feet to move around in your laundry room. A SQ hard mount on the other hand has no internal suspension and therefore any produced out of balance loads are directed through a heavy gauge frame into the concrete floor it is bolted to. How big are these forces? Let's say you had a 20 lb model with that same 20% off balance load in the wash. The SQ hard mount units are rated to spin out to 200G extract force, the math (20 lb x 0.2 x 200 G) would say 800 lbs would be directed into the floor. Big difference between the two loads into the floor, and the SQ home soft mount spins out with twice the G force on top of that. Remember, the above examples are hypothetical to illustrate the differences between a hard mount and soft mount suspensions and the forces into the floor. The new SQ front load, with the combination of twin liquid balance rings and shock absorbers should give a good experience for the homeowner. These show up in laundromats and apartment buildings with high usage, way more cycles per day than a homeowner would ever put on one. Laundryvet...See MorePlease help with 2nd Floor Laundry Room Design
Comments (24)I love our laundry chute, but note the last paragraph of the above cited Bob Vila article. Local codes might ban them as a fire hazard. Just check and be sure! Funny story...I had a friend who remodeled her 1920s home and closed up the first floor chute opening. She kept the one from her second floor down to the basement laundry room. She was doing laundry for a trip and threw all her “good” clothes down the chute to launder. They got hung up somewhere between the second floor and the basement! What to do? She called the fire department. They came with hook and ladder truck, firehats, etc. And pikes. Yup. They reached up from the basement and pulled all her clothing down....shredding it beyond redemption! Lesson learned! One. Item. At. A.Time!...See More- 3 years ago
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