How to get rid of bubbles in Loba 2K Supra AT?
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Comments (101)Ciranova ? Pink Blocker can be used with any competitors brand stain. I have not experienced any issue. You do need to buff with a maroon pad prior to applying a stain with other manufacturer's WB PU. I have not applied any other WB except for Ciranova's own WB PU over Pink blocker. No time for experimenting. Pink Blocker is a reactive stain. It is water soluble. Ciranova has a binder in their invisible line finishes : Ecofix plus, Woodlook Plus and Oculto. It helps prevent reactivating the stain and moving the color around. Reactive stain can be applied after pink blocker. Still needs buffing with maroon pad. You can use the regular reactive stain on red oak. It will not be as intense as if, it was applied onto white oak. Aquavintage is a two part reactive stain. hardwax oil , oil poly or wb poly can be applied. If, using WB poly, use one of Ciranova's invisible poly. Ecofix for light natural colors. Woodlook for whites and grays and Oculto for dark tone reactive stains. It is water soluble, competitors WB PU will move finish around. If, you want a WB system that looks like a oil finish. Ciranova's invisible line is what you want. It will look as natural or raw as can be with the protection of a WB system. For added protection, you can do two coats of their invisible finish and two coats of Fortico. Fortico is comparable to Bona Traffic HD and Loba's Supra AT. You can top coat Ciranova's invisible finishes with competitors WB finishes. That will help keep cost down. Only downside, if, you run into issues. The tech support will not help you. Use your own discretion. Unico is the same as RMC. It's a single coat oil system with the added benefits of being able to apply a WB PU over it. It's soft, top coat with one coat of Titan or two coats of Fortico for the added protection. Titan is better than RMC. Note: every manufacturer alters their binders slightly in their finishes to make it unique. It creates issues with other manufacturers products. You would need to test samples to make sure there are no finishing issues. I have used Ciranova's reactive stain with RMC and Pallmann's oil with no issues. I have tried applying a competitors WB PU over Ciranova's reactive stain with no success. It moves the color around. But when used with Ciranova's invisible PU, no issues. You can apply dewaxed shellac over the reactive stain and apply a competitor's WB PU or just apply oil base poly. Keep in mind oil base poly will turn yellow. For aged look, it does not look good. If, you want the aged look use Ciranova. you won't be disappointed, unless your guy does not know how to use it. For a stained look, you can use any other brand. The colors are all the same, besides Duraseal, which has more colors available than anyone....See MoreLoba Supra 2K & AT combo
Comments (92)@druszky Are you certain without doubt that first layer was not some type of primer? Loba does produce a waterborne primer called WS EasyPrime that is designed to receive a topcoat layer within about 45 minutes to 2 hours of primer application. If the first layer was EasyPrime, then 30 minutes later Invisible Protect AT, then you would be OK. It's distressing to me that so many people are after the extreme matte look in coatings. First, it leads to situations like you have here where clearer coats were used first, then a matte coat used last. This retains the clarity of the coating overall but makes repairs more difficult. Also, I am not a coatings expert but have generally noticed with the amount of reading I have done this year on coatings that a higher gloss finish tends to wear better in some cases in terms of not prematurely failing. I don't know if that is because of properties that allow a greater surface resilience or what. Then, you also have the situation @SJ McCarthy mentioned, where wear along a matte topcoat can produce shiny sections. Most people selecting coatings for their homes are probably not informed by the contractors in advance about these types of issues, or perhaps more people would opt for a higher sheen....See Moreloba invisible problems
Comments (29)OK...here's what we KNOW about Invisible. I can almost guarantee that's what you have. Invisible is the only one in matte. We KNOW that 2-3 COATS of Invisible can look hazy. They use material in the finish (aka chemicals) that diffuse the way light works through....kinda like frosted glass in a bathroom = hazy as heck). That's SUPER annoying...which is how we know this...people have complained about it. Now...if the installer had used the Loba 2K Supra AT with GLOSS for the first 1-2 coats and then FINISHED with the Invisible (matte) you would have had a matte finish SITTING on CRYSTAL CLEAR finish. The tendency to have it go hazy = much less. The OTHER issue (foot prints) has to do with MATTE finishes. All matte finishes have this issue (to one degree or another). The MATTE'NESS' of the finish is the background. It is SOOOOO dull (how dull SJ?), it is SOOOO dull the light shine of SKIN OILS shows up SHINY. Oh...dear....that sounds like what is happening....sigh...no one explained that. OK. We KNOW the finish is WORKING. How? They CLEAN UP nicely. The prints LEAVE as soon as you clean. Perfect. Excellent. Wonderful. That's how it works. Cleaning the floors = clean floors. The ISSUE is the SHINY prints on DULL floors. The other issue, of water residue = water hardness or scaling. This is a known issue with plenty of water sources. The colour of the floor will dictate how well/poorly water spots show up. For most people who do not have a whole home water softener (that's most of us), they have to towel down their wet floors. Yep. As you mop (which should not be SUPER wet...just snick wet...barely wet...almost dry...RIGHT???) you will go back over the water with CLEAN TOWELS. You will 'wipe on; wipe off, grasshopper'. That's how you STOP hardwater from leaving the whitish haze behind. This is more commonly seen on dark(er) floors and with matte finishes. It's hard to see hardwater residue on natural white oak in a semi-gloss finish. How to fix your issues???? You need a buff and coat with a higher gloss finish. Yep. That's how you get rid of 90% of your issues. You pay for a buff and coat with Loba 2K Supra AT in satin (which ranks as a LOW gloss satin...it's quite dull but without the foot print issues) or a semi-gloss. That's your fix. The Invisible is 100% doing it's job. It has properties (super dull = matte) that irritate you. To fix the irritation, you either fix the gloss level or you look at why it bothers you (don't take that as cheek...I'm not...I'm just mentioning the TWO sides of this coin...the finish and the human looking at it). The hardwater residue is the 10% that requires a different type of fix......See MoreWhite oak, new construction, botched job x3, Loba URGENT question
Comments (2)Wow! Ok...the good news is you are getting the ENTIRE floor sanded (including the treads) and refinished. Excellent! That's what is needed at this point. Now for the treads...MOST stair treads are RED oak. That MIGHT BE why the treads take the stain a little differently than the WHITE OAK flooring (make sense now doesn't it?). The Loba HS 2K ImpactOil is comparable to Rubio = oiled finish. Here's the link to the GERMAN website (not the USA...the European website is MUCH better for product information). https://www.loba.de/us/products/natural-oils-and-waxes/natural-oils/product/hs-2k-impactoil-color/ The ImpactOil is NOT compatible with the surface finishes like Invisible AT. Do not mix the two. Now...onto the colours. Loba makes their own stains. The original floors had "white line" syndrome = the finished had BONDING FAILURE throughout the home. That was the original problem (regardless of the flooding). The stain was INCOMPATIBLE with the FINISH (whatever the finish was). This is the very reason why you should NEVER mix chemical families (Loba + Loba = success; DuraSeal + DuraSeal = success). The ImpactOil is new(er) the the N. American market. The VERY FIRST THING I would ask the refinishers is: Have you attended the Loba training classes? You are looking for a 'yes' when it comes to both the Invisible and the ImpactOil. If you need support, Loba is just a phone call away. They have their N. American headquarters in N.Carolina....See MoreAglitter
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