SpeedQueen TC-5 Is one.

Given the risk of inciting a flame war from one of the rabid Speed Queen fans (not Wekick, btw) , I hesitated to respond with what I recently found while researching new washers. But, here goes.

The TC5 is not SQ's only model that (mostly) dispenses with ATC. Speed Queen/Alliance says that all of its current residential models ---- that' s the TC5 "classic agitator" rop-load model, the three TR (new design) top load models, the FF7 front loaders, and the SF7 stack laundry center --- do have a kind of ATC for the "Normal-Eco" wash program but not for all the other selections.

The "normal-eco" is the wash program used for Energy Star ratings. All current SQ residential models have electronic controls. The "normal-eco" program electronics will meter in between 88% and 100% of the wash water from the cold water line no matter what temperature selection you choose. For all of the other SQ wash program choices, "hot" is supposed to be tap hot, "warm" is supposed to be a 50-50 mix of tap hot and tap cold, and "cold "is supposed to be tap cold. (See this Speed Queen link for an example of the company's product literature.)

There also are the Staber top-loading horizontal drum models. (You can google the name if you like niche products.) Also, if you need a washer for a small space, off-the-grid, or RV, I believe The Laundry Alternative offers several models without ATC.

Of course, there are lots of non-ATC older model washers available on Craigslist and such as well as from sellers who recondition and resell used washers.

An alternative to trying to find non-ATC washers would be circumventing the ATC by using diversion valves or external mixing valves on the water supply hoses to mix hot water through the cold water side. Many (but not all) ATC controls work by regulating the flow through the hot water input but do not control for the temperature coming in through the cold water side. Using valves to mix in some (or a lot of) hot water through the cold water side thereby provide pretty much any incoming water temperature you want up to what comes to the washer from the house's hot water heater.

Some folks who want hotter-than-ATC washes (or warmer than ATC-warm washes and rinses) install a small, inexpensive 120v electric point-of-use on-demand water heater between the cold tap and the washing machine. You only need to turn it on about 15 minutes before starting the wash and shut it off after the wash cycle when you no longer need it to run. This can let you set starting wash temperatures from a 95°F warm on up to hot washes starting around 160°F or so. (How "hot" you can get depends on the heater model you select.)

If you use the heavy duty cycle on a SQ TL TC model you will get untempered hot water; as hot as your water heater will supply and you've purged the line of cold water.

I've never used the eco-cycle on mine. I have no use for that nonsense; cooled down water temps and a spray rinse Gah. It's there on the dial or board to satisfy gov regulations.

Given the risk of inciting a flame war from one of the rabid Speed Queen fans (not Wekick, btw) Well hey there JW. That's a mighty large brush you are holding there to paint all of us SQ owners. Same could be said of the "rabid" front load people who always blame user error for moldy front load washers, but I just let those folks flame on and I know that is not a true statement in each instance. I might say 'some' fl owners...not everyone is rabid. Whether SQ or FL camps. It gets kinda old after a while especially since there are quite a few well behaved and polite SQ owners who take the time to answer questions on this forum. Perhaps you just didn't notice us...

>>>"That's a mighty large brush you are holding there to paint all of us SQ owners..."<<<

LoL because the broad brush is exactly I was trying to avoid. I was aiming at the small subset of partisans who feel compelled to flame those who don't subscribe to what they regard as the one true faith of washing machines,. Sorry for my infelicitous phrasing which you took as aimed at all SQ owners.

And, from your response, it seems I was insufficiently specific about another point. I did not mean to suggest there are separate SQ camps and FL camps.

As I thought I pointed out, the choice is not between SQs and FLs because Speed Queen makes both TL and FL models. The FF7 series and the SF7 stack were the company's FL models that I mentioned.

In case anybody still fails to understand what I intended to say, let me re-say it this way: both the SQ residential TL and FL models can provide untempered hot water feeds for wash programs other than the "Eco-Normal" ones.

Let me also be clear about this, as well: I did not have any intention of suggesting that Speed Queen makes only top loaders nor was I intending to support or attack anyone who might prefer TL to FL or vice versa.

Is that clear enough?

Either I owe you an apology or a thanks JW. Either I misread your comment or you changed it from 'rabid Speed Queen fans' to 'one of the Speed Queen fans'. I suspect I misread it as the copy and paste I used to quote you also states the 'one of the SQ fans' as well. Either way, I'm sorry (for misreading it) or thanks (for you changing it). I appreciate your not including each and all of us SQ owners as being rabid in your statement. I have seen past postings of such owners and I do agree rabid is a rather fair term, but not all of us are like that. I've given critical observations of my SQ on this forum in the past (it's not a perfect machine in some respects), but I don't bring it up anymore since my model is out of production, so therefore not relevant at this point. I have noticed other SQ owners of do the same, so the seemingly unfair lumping of all of us as rabid was bothersome. I have appreciated your input on this forum and sharing your knowledge. My gripe was as I stated in my above post, not with your otherwise helpful posts for people's questions. Peace.

kat Kylie,

We have a member here, Monica, who has a new GE top loading machine that she is thrilled with. Maybe she will pop in here and let you know if her washing machine gives a true temp water fill. She's so happy with it I have to think it just might not cool down the incoming water temp.