Colleen, where is that in the book? I have a copy and would like to check it out.

Hi Annpan, it's in Chapter 2 (The Five Wounds), about 2/3 of the way through. Cromwell is speaking with Chapuys about the uprising in the north. It's actually Chapuys who says "Why do we not, as the tennis players say, cut to the chase?" In my Kindle edition it's page 308 but I don't know if pagination is the same as in print editions.

Colleen, apparently 'cut to the chase' is one of the rules used in real/royal tennis, Needless to say I'm not familiar with the game but there is an indoor real-tennis court as Hampton Court Palace which was used by Henry VIII and others back then.

I know what you mean about inappropriate expressions being used out of context, but I think Ms Mantel has spent more than three years doing her homework and possibly if we disagree with this National Treasure we might find ourselves languishing in the Tower.

Real/Royal Tennis

Colleen, when you mentioned it, I wondered if the expression perhaps had something to do with Royal Tennis. I suppose I took it as that when I read the book as it didn't grate on me then! Thanks for the page pointer, it would have been a bit much trying to find the reference!

I have seen the tennis court at Hampton Court Palace a few times as it was a favourite place for us to visit with my mother who was a great fan of the Tudors! I think that it is still used and I have a vague memory of seeing it being played on with balls hit into the roofs at the side as part of the game.

I watched your video three times, vee, and I see that there's something called a "chaser", and that if the non-serving player bounces a ball on the chaser and then again, then when they get to match point they change sides and the non-serving player tries to prevent the server from hitting the ball past where the second bounce landed, but this would be my opinion as to whether "cut to the chase" is actually a phrase used in or regarding real tennis, at least in the time frame of The Mirror and the Light.

Discussion regarding real tennis and "cut to the chase".

There don't seem to be any contemporary references that I can find and I do wonder if it's a more modern expression that has been taken up in more recent decades by real tennis players.

Rules of Royal/Real Tennis

Well the above real tennis rules are as clear as mud! I expect it is much the same as someone trying to explain the finer details of cricket to an American . . . or to me, come to that.

Colleen, whether the expression 'cut to the chase' meaning to get down to the nitty-gritty, was used in Tudor times is interesting and probably impossible to prove unless there is a quotation from Shakespeare or similar and I suppose it is likely to have had its origins in the game, although as a sport only played by the wealthy I wonder how it became common-place?

Vee, although played by the wealthy, there would have been common serving men on hand and they could have picked up on the saying...just saying!

Then there is a possibility of it coming from France, didn't they play tennis back then? Anyone read French written around that time?

My wild flight of fancy as to an origin!

Annpan, I'm sure it would have been played in France, probably before coming to England especially when you consider that French-English royalty/nobility were almost one and the same thing. Think of Henry V and the insult over the tennis balls!

Yoyo, I think 'cut to the chase' is quite a common expression over here, even if we don't know its origin!

I have just been checking the Oxford English Dictionary and the OUP's other reference works (including Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable) online, and they all give the origin of "cut to the chase" as the early years of film making. They make no reference to real tennis.

Oh and the phrase occurs on page 308 by the way.

Perhaps Hilary Mantel could be asked where she got it from?

There are plenty of references for cut to the chase' to be found online in connection with Real Tennis.

Other expressions that can be linked to the game are

"Off the wall"

"In the nick of time"

"From pillar to post"

"Impress the gallery"

Of course this doesn't mean it wasn't used in early filming . . . just that it can be traced much further back.

Royal Tennis

I agree that there are plenty of claims online that "cut to the chase" originated in Real Tennis, but are there any authoritative contemporary sources that substantiate these claims?

There you have me HU! Perhaps there is some mention in Shakespeare, Marlowe or Pepys . . . or in some old French literature.

...or ask Hilary Mantel. (See above!)

Annpan, Mantel is now a VIP and says she will write no more books for several years as she wants her life back. I doubt she would answer a question from anyone here . .. . of course I could be quite wrong . . . I often am.

'Cut to the chase' is also apparently an expression in French "Je vais couper á la chasse" but again I don't know how far back it goes.

Thanks for these comments. For what it is worth, I have emailed my query to her publishers, but no doubt I am one of thousands of little pedants seeking to pick holes in this and that. Thus are urban myths born.

Wordwenches.com 1/30/2013

Cut to the chase
This
saying comes from the arcane game of court tennis, which was the sport
played by Henry VIII (very different from lawn tennis, which didn’t come
into being until the 1870s.) It has a very complex, complicated set of
scoring rules—don’t ask—but one of them involves a ball landing in a
certain place. When it does, a “chase” is called. However, the set is
played out before the players engage in a game within a game, which
ultimately determines the winner. So “cut to the chase” means skipping
over parts of an endeavor to get to the most important, or dramatic,
point.

I'm always surprised how these older threads re-emerge from the depths of some dusty old store, but always interesting to re-read.

As Hilary Mantel died some years ago, she will never be able to explain to us how she found the details and meaning of 'cut to the chase'.

I find these snippets very informative . . . and I do enjoy learning new things.

I accidentally revived an old RP thread from many years ago and was sad to see names now lost. We used to have fun parties and made up poems to add to the amusement.

Another group I am in has dwindled from about thirty members fifteen years ago to five active ones. Three of whom are in the retired and cruising stage! Some days I am the only poster!