there is a very active conifer forum ... but i will answer you here ... first... as noted.. there is no predictability unless its a named cultivar .... and with said name.. you could research growth rate and size potential ... ... and.. though an exaggeration ... i like to say.. for impact. .. that if momma has 100 foot potential.. a dwarf of her.. might only grow 75 feet ... a true dwarf.. is supposed to grow.. 3 to 6 inches per year... you should be able.. since pine has one growth spurt in spring .... to look at any given pine.. and find out how much it grew last spring.. and simply presume... that is the MINIMUM annual growth.. and once established in the ground.... could be much more ... most size estimates are at 10 years... based on that annual growth rate ... and you can presume.. at 20 years.. they will be twice as large.. because.. as trees [NOT SHRUBS].... and as conifers [NOT SHRUBS] .. they really NEVER stop growing.... because.. they are.. wait for it.. NOT SHRUBS... lol ... i have some 5 year old MINIs ... that are barely bigger than a dinner plate .... but let me sum it up this way .... of my 600 odd conifers.. two were purchased at bigboxstore ... peruse the pix at the link.. to see the great variability ... on your words alone.. and do understand.. that the smaller of them ... are not un-named bigboxstore plants ... in the conifer forum .. there are some very current posts.. on preferred providers .... ken Here is a link that might be useful: link

hey its all about the ANNUAL GROWTH RATE.. and how big it is when you start ... and how long it takes to get established ... the ACS has data for annual growth rates .... if a plant grows one foot per year... it will be about 10 feet tall in 10 years.. go figure on that ... 10 more years .. it will be 20 feet tall ... the things just never stop growing.. in your lifetime ... extrapolate that logic if it grows 6 inches per year... or MINI's that grow an inch a year ... etc ... the link below is to the ACS databse .... there is also a great tutorial and intro there about conifers.. which arent linking this morning .... read up on growth rates ... you have 2 options.. first.. buy a named mini or dwarf ... which will take much ,onger to fill and exceed the space ... or just buy something that makes your toes curl ... and get rid of it 5 or 10 years ... but i have to tell you.. 1 to 2 feet to the fence is probably not enough room ... not many local nurseries carry the exotic stuff .... if you want the best plant for your site.. you will probably have to mail order it.. or have the local guy special order it .... one final thought... its the late 60's... dad got a 'dwarf' mugo for the front of the house ... planted it 3 feet from the foundation ..... 30 years later ... i spent a day going at it.. removing that monster ... good luck ken Here is a link that might be useful: link

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ok.. you have tried that method.. it isnt working.. how long you going to beat your head on that wall??? get in there .. and start cutting further back into the plant ... just make sure you leave at least one bud on any given branch ... else it dies ... you can cut out.. any fork in the road ... no matter how far back in time ... i cant think of a better way to say it ... and the beauty of it is... if you really mess it up ... get rid of it ... which is option one at this point anyway ... eh??? ken