You need to go higher on the hog for good angled recessed lighting. That Halo gimbal is my all-time least favorite fixture. Halo has never done adjustable very well. Try a 35 deg adjustable spot like the Lightolier L3 or the wall washer version of it.

I believe 5 in 12 is about 23 deg so 35 deg adjustable should work. There might be a bit of cut off on the lower side

Yeah only thing with that HALO is it says it's ideal for accent lighting, makes me think the light will be focused instead of spread out as general lighting.

Take a look at Juno sloped ceiling residential downlights. Juno offers a variety of sloped ceiling products such as the 46L Trim 4in Round Slope Ceiling Trim. Note that ordering is more complicated than just buying a Home Depot downlight because the LED housing and trim are sold separately. You must take care to specify the correct LED housing specs for your application. Electric Bargain Stores sells lots of Juno products but you can also find them on Amazon (I bought Juno trim there).

You can also just start your search for Slope Ceilng Trim at Electric Bargain Stores.

Oh wow, thanks so much! I'll take a look.

Just a thought, you are building a house. Where is your architect and general contractor in these explorations? JMO, but when I did my major renovation, they were a wealth of experience to advise on these kinds of issues, much like RES has done below. Work the people who have been through this experience multiple times, it will save you heartache.

Keep in mind that there are a variety of lamps, ranging from narrow spot to wide flood, with varying wattages which will fit any of these fixtures.

So what is the purpose of these fixtures and how will they be used?

@tozmo1 the architect suggests sloped ceiling, and the GC/electrician thinks I should use adjustable. :-) It's also to do with cost (e.g., it might be as expensive as $150 a piece if I go with my architect's suggestion). I have not followed through with all leads yet.

This is just throughout the house: 3 bedrooms, great room and some of the master bathroom. For example, there are four in the kitchen and 4 over the TV area. Also 8 in the master bedroom (in addition to a pendant light). Totally I have about 30 of them.

Yikes! back to Virgil Carter's question, how will these be used? Sounds like clarity is needed for every light to determine the best and most cost effective way to accomplish the need. One size probably doesn't fit all.

Here is the electric plan. The little circles with half-black-half-white are 4" recessed lights on sloped ceilings. As you can see most of them are general lighting.

That Halo gimbal light is not focused and the light from it is terrible. LED diodes behind a big diffusing screen is unfocused and bland. Go see one in a showroom. Look for a COB LED for good light quality.

Do you have any recommendations of a 4" adjustable LED for general lighting?

I checked the JUNO slope 46L trim and it costs ~$85/pc. It's a good option but feels a bit too expensive.

Getting good quality and properly sized lighting doesn't seem like the place to skimp on budget!

It's true, but it also doesn't have any integrated bulbs so I am not sure how it works (at least I cannot find any info about the temperature or watts). I'll go to a local store and ask around.

"It's true, but it also doesn't have any integrated bulbs so I am not sure how it works..."

If you're talking about the Juno products, you have look at the Spec Sheets. For example the first and third Spec Sheets are for new-construction housings for the 46L Trim 4in Round Slope Ceiling Trim. The first page discusses the housing and the second page contains the ordering information for the housing plus the available trims and accessories. The housings include the LEDs.

Thanks. Found the video. Interesting! I guess for those sloped housing there is no standard model and you just have to select the specific product.

The recessed fixtures shown on your lighting plan are located centered between work surfaces so you would be working in your own shadow. It’s an amateur mistake but easily corrected. Find a lighting supplier who provides lighting design services or google lighting design and your zip code.
I would explain what you need to know but I’ve done it too many times on This forum and I’m on an iPad. You can search for it.
What is the budget per fixture and is it retail or wholesale. It could be $40 or $140. It’s impossible to help without that info.

If you use the LED retrofit cans that are everywhere these days, the light is flush with the ceiling and should work fine for ambient light at any angle. Meaning a regular can (or no can)...

Recessed lights are intended to hide, to a substantial extent, the source of the light. A retrofit LED fixture with a diffusing lens that fills the bottom of the fixture opening has the opposite effect. If you don’t mind a bright light at the ceiling you might as well use a surface mounted 4” round LED like the Halo SLD4. It mounts to a wiring box and looks just like the large lens retrofit fixtures but for half the cost.

RES, re: this: " If you don’t mind a bright light at the ceiling you might as well use a surface mounted 4” round LED like the Halo SLD4." Could they be dimmable? I have some Halo mounted fixtures (different style) and they are really nice, also dimmable. You don't see them at all. Good solution.

"If you don’t mind a bright light at the ceiling you might as well use a surface mounted 4” round LED like the Halo SLD4..."

Ugly! If you don't want to spend much money, you could buy these Nicor DLR4R retractable downlights which are completely adjustable (flat, sloped, wall-wash, etc.), cost $44 at Home Depot and fit in a $17 Nicor 19000A-LED-ID housing.

Get a sample.

@wdccruise: the Nicor light looks great! I'll look into it!

The Nicor light is a “retrofit” elbow with the driver built into the lamp instead of the housing and subject to overheating and premature replacement of the unit. It is designed to be installed in existing standard 4” recessed incandescent housings. That restricts the lumens of a 2700K LED to 600 which is low for a high ceiling or task surfaces. This is Home Depot’s DIY approach to recessed lighting. There are better options but at a higher initial cost.

I think gimbal recessed light is a better option because you can adjust the tilting angle of the lights after vaulted ceiling installation. You will never know the actual lighting effect until you turn on them. If the can lights are already "fixed", we can't adjust the lighting direction. In addition, the slope of the housing may not fit your ceiling. So it is less risky to use gimbal housing.

https://recessedlightspro.com/a-guide-of-vaulted-ceiling-recessed-lighting-placement/

Does anyone know if there is a newer version of the Halo HL6 Allslope that has a smaller housing, similar to the LED canless lights with their own transformer?

@KEH Interiors: "Does anyone know if there is a newer version of the Halo HL6 Allslope that has a smaller housing?"

NA.

Juno 4" Slope Ceiling Housings for 9-35 degree Slope and Super Slope trims:

• 1000 lumens new construction
• 1000 lumens remodel
• 700 lumens new construction
• 700 lumens remodel

Thank you, wdccruise! I would be ever so grateful if you would answer these 2 Qs I have:

1) Is it accurate to say that the Juno option you recommend above is more expensive and requires more parts but provides a better quality lighting solution vs. a gimbal LED (i.e., HLA 4 in. Color Selectable (2700K-5000K) Canless Recessed Wide Beam Adjustable Gimbal Trim Integrated LED Kit)?

2) would the type of solution that the Juno recommendation provides (sloped trim and fixed light) require more space in the behind the drywall and more time to install than the gimbal-style light that requires no separate housing?

Trying to make sense out of these sloped ceiling LED options :) Thanks so much!

Halo HLA and the Juno have little in common. The former is an inexpensive light that provides no control over the light (though wide and narrow-beam versions are available) or appearance of the fixture. In contrast, the Juno solution allows control over the brightness, beam angle, trim, and even light color. Of course, the prices are dramatically different:

• Halo HLA406VWFL9FS1EMWR: $37
• Juno Recessed Lighting IC4RAL-3K-F-1 4" Adjustable LED IC Type Remodel Housing 700 Lumens, 3000K Color Temperature, Flood Beam, Dedicated Driver 120V $154
• Juno Recessed Lighting 46LWHZ-WH 4" Standard Slope Trim for Ceiling 9 Degree to 24 Degree, Wheat Haze Reflector, White Trim Ring $59

The Juno housing is 6" deep while the Halo HLA4 is 4-3/4" deep.

thank you!

Halo RLS4099FS1EWHDMR is a 4" canless slope recessed light with selectable color temperature.

• Polar-Ray $75

Lutron compatible dimmers

sloped ceiling cans ALL THE WAY.

• JUNO TC926R REMODEL HOUSING / SLOPE: 2/12 TO 6/12 PITCH (9˚ TO 27˚)
• JUNO TC928R REMODEL HOUSING / SUPER SLOPE: 7/12 TO 12/12 PITCH (30˚TO 45˚)

with compatible trims and lamps

I've checked out these Juno housing and slanted trim options, but these fixtures require bulbs, right? Changing bulbs in a vaulted ceiling is a huge hassle, so that eliminates these fixtures from consideration in my client's case. Am I wrong?

@KEH Interiors: "I've checked out these Juno housing and slanted trim options, but these fixtures require bulbs, right?"

Yes. I like these Euri Lighting PAR20 LED bulbs which have a claimed average life of 25K hours. At six hours per day that's over 11 years.

That Halo RLS4099FS1EWHDMR (Polar-Ray $75) has a claimed life of 50K hours but, of course, when it fails the entire fixture will have to be replaced...and there are no appearance options.

Thank you!!!

Wdccruise: You have been so helpful in this thread. I am similarly left on my own for choosing sloped ceiling lights on a higher end new construction. Long story . . . In any event, can you clarify again which of the Juno housings and trims you would recommend for a relatively steep pitched cathedral dining room and master bedroom ceilings? If we are doing 3000k everywhere else, would you still recommend 2700k for the sloped lights? And on that note, should I reconsider the 3000k everywhere? I tend to prefer the softer light, but the little input I did get from the builder and lighting store was to go with 3000k. Any help is greatly appreciated!

@PebblesAnn F: "I am similarly left on my own for choosing sloped ceiling lights..."

You must first determine or decide:

1. The slope of the ceiling
2. Whether you want 6" or 4" fixtures
3. The color temperature you want (only if using a 4" fixture because the light source is integrated; no separate bulb)

Six inch housings, trims, and bulbs:

• IC926 Series 6" Standard Slope Incandescent Housing (scroll down for trims)
• IC928 Series 6" Super Slope Incandescent Housing (scroll down for trims)

Four inch housings with light source, trims

4" Internally Adjustable LED Fixtures

• You would choose one of the IC4AL housings, specifying the brightness (lumens), color temperature, and beam angle
• You would choose a slope, trim type (adjustable round, fixed round, square); cone color, and trim color

If you didn't want to make such decisions at purchase time, you could just go with the canless, white HaloRLS4099FS1EWHDMR 4" and new-construction mounting frame (also 6") adjustable-slope, multi-color-temp fixture (Amazon).

Well…lots of good information above on specific fixtures…but…the most important information has not been provided by the original poster. Without this information any specific fixture recommendations are simply guesses. What is the important information? It’s identifying the purpose for the proposed lighting! There are three categories of lighting: task, ambient and accent. Each category is different and each category requires different, tailored lighting. Perhaps the OP will come back and provide this important information about the purpose of the lighting fixtures…if it’s already somewhere in this thread I missed it when I read the entire thread.