So many good recipes here! If we make it again I'll try them. I didn't have a chance to check in before making it this morning. I started at 6:15 and at 8:15 after showering (oven turned off after baking at 350, not broiling, and burner for cider turned off) I was running to pour the cider in the 5 gal Igloo and get the pans in the cooler. But we made it - drove up to Springfield and found they'd pushed start to 11AM instead of 10. So it sat longer than expected but was still warm and the cider was so hot we had to add cold cider in. I did have a little problem with the sauce - I made a double batch (for 2 lbs of pasta) at a time, poured it in with about 1 lb diced ham (decided that was enough) and yes 1/2 package of peas. Then put the pan (which still had cheese sauce in it) back on burner to add more cheese sauce (I had almost 1C from last night) and more cheese, I didn't think I needed more roux. Burner was off but sauce burnt to bottom so I only poured a little over the 2nd pan before I realized, put 2nd lb of pasta in with just lots of shredded cheese, melted a stick of butter and some milk in the MW and poured over, mixed in, stuck in oven, mixed some more then topped with more cheese. Guess which one they went for first? But they said it was all good, they were going back for the ham & pea version even before the plain was gone. I think teenagers will eat anything (of course DD wouldn't touch it). I think we ate 3/4 of it (so 3 lbs of pasta) and there were 23 kids and 4 adults counting the bus driver (who said she didn't like peas but liked this and took the leftovers home). Next time I'm not going to get so involved making the sauce - I'll melt butter, milk and cheese together and if it's not thick enough I'll add roux but I'd definitely add more cheese, less milk and flour than CI calls for (I used less than 3 quarts b/c I wasted some in the burnt sauce, so 1/2 gal was probably enough for 4 lbs of pasta, but I used 3 sticks of butter, 2 in the roux and 1 in the last pan). The cayenne wasn't noticeable and I did heavily salt the water, and put about 1 tsp of salt in the first cheese sauce but none in the 2nd pan (butter/milk) and I don't think they missed it. I forgot to bring salt and pepper but I've got some plastic shakers I'll throw in the box with cups and flatware so we have it with us.

You're talking about a ham and cheese sandwich so really it's pretty basic. I would go with a wheat roll or a good white roll. I don't mind them soft. I actually like what used to be called "tea biscuits" and are like the buns used at White Castle and what used to be used at KFC You can get them attached for ease of cutting. I don't like the Hawaiian rolls. Too sweet. I'm not a fan of poppy seeds or mustard. 'Twer it me, I'd prefer a dab of Ranch, mayo or something like the mild sweet onion teriyaki sauce like they have at Subway. To serve them warm, I'd cut the rolls in half, flip the top over, brush the tops with a light coat of butter, put the ham and cheese on the bottom and put it under the broiler to lightly toast the top and melt the cheese, pull them out and give it a squirt of whatever sauce is going on there. About the only way to go wrong with ham and cheese is to use really bad ham, or try to get too complicated with it.

Here's one....has an awful lot of honey though.. Snickerpoodles Dog Treats 1/2 cup canola oil 1/2 cup shortening 1 cup honey 2 eggs 3 3/4 cups white flour 2 teaspoons cream of tartar 1 teaspoon baking soda 1/2 cup cornmeal 2 teaspoons cinnamon Mix vegetable oil, shortening and honey together until smooth. Add eggs and beat well. Blend in flour, baking soda and cream of tartar. Knead dough until mixed well. Shape dough by rounded teaspoons into balls. Mix the cornmeal and cinnamon together in a bowl and roll balls in mixture. Place 2 inches apart on a cookie sheet that has been sprayed with a nonstick spray. Press the balls down with a fork twice going in 2 different directions or press with your favorite stamp. Bake 8 minutes at 400. Remove from baking sheet and cool on a rack. And here are more....which are a bit more trouble: What the doggies like is garlic and meat paste. I make my own meat paste, from leftover pot roast and canned beef broth, in the food processor. For the picky-est of the picky eaters try cheese or cheese-and-bacon. What you're going for is a thick, non-fluffy, very heavy dough that smells strongly like meat and garlic. And a low oven temperature, to bake them hard and long-lasting. BASIC RECIPE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2 1/2 cups whole wheat flour, or any combination of heavy, whole-grain flours 1/2 cup nonfat powdered milk 1 tsp. sugar 1 tsp. Lawry's Seasoned Salt 1 large egg 1 tsp. minced garlic 1/2 cup hot meat paste (see notes above) 1/4 to 1/2 cup very hot water Mix together well with an electric mixer. Turn out onto a floured pastry cloth and knead until elastic and "set." Cut with dog-bone cutter, or with the edge of a drinking glass. Spray cookies sheets with Pam and place biscuits on them. They will not spread at all, so you can place them very close together. Bake at 250 degrees F. for one hour, turn trays 180 degrees, and bake at least another half hour. FOR CHEESE BISCUITS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you know that you're going to be making doggie treats, save up all the hard bits of leftover cheese. Grate them up and use them, in place of the meat paste. If you do not have leftover cheese, then buy a bag of Kraft grated cheese, sharp cheddar, and use that. Once the biscuits are on the cookie trays, you can sprinkle them with grated Parmesan. FOR CHEESE-AND-BACON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Add Hormel's Real Bacon Bits (they're in the salad dressing section of your grocery store) ******************************************* Fido's Favorite Treats Yield: 1 batch 1 c. Rolled oats 1/3 c. Margarine 1 c. Boiling water 3/4 c Cornmeal 1 tbp. Sugar 2 tsp. chicken or beef flavored instant bouillon 1/2 c. Milk 4 oz (1 cup) shredded cheddar cheese 1 Egg, beaten 2 c. To 3 cups whole wheat flour. Heat oven to 325 degrees. Grease cookie sheets. In large bowl, combine rolled oats, margarine and boiling water; let stand 10 minutes. Stir in cornmeal, sugar, bouillon, milk, cheese and egg; mix well. Lightly spoon flour into measuring cup; level off. Add flour 1 cup at a time, mixing well after each addition to form a stiff dough. On floured surface, knead in remaining flour until dough is smooth and no longer sticky, 3 to 4 minutes. Roll or pat out dough to 1/2 inch thickness, cut with bone shaped cookie cutter. Place 1 inch apart on greased cookie sheets. Bake at 325 degrees for 35 to 45 minutes on until golden brown. Cool completely. Store loosely covered. Makes 3 1/2 dozen large dog biscuits or 8 dozen small dog biscuits. *************************************** Here is a doggy bday cake recipe as well...grin DOGGIE BIRTHDAY CAKE Don't forget the "Frosty Paws" from the grocery store to top off the cake. 1 cup whole wheat flour 1 teaspoon baking soda 1/4 cup chopped/unsalted peanuts 1/4 cup oil 1/3 cup honey 1 teaspoon baking soda 1 teaspoon soy flour 1 egg 5 teaspoon vanilla 1 cup ground or grated carrots Preheat oven to 325°. Combine flours, baking soda and peanuts. Mix in egg, oil, vanilla, honey and carrots until well combined. Pour mixture into a prepared cake pan and bake for 15 to 20 minutes.

I don't use cutters or a pizza wheel, just a knife, nor do I make them in a round shape. I follow these directions (link is below--and it has a picture, too!), taken from the KA Flour website, and they come out perfect every time. I do make the glaze for them. Hope you enjoy this triangle-shape as an option. Scrape the dough onto a well-floured work surface. Pat/roll it into an 8" to 8 1/2" square, a scant 3/4" thick. Make sure the surface underneath the dough is very well floured. If necessary, use a giant spatula to lift the square, and sprinkle more flour underneath. Cut the square into 2" squares; you'll have a total of 16 small squares. Now, cut each square in half diagonally, to make 32 small triangles. This is all easily accomplished with a rolling pizza wheel; if you're working on a silicone mat, be very careful not to press down too hard as you cut. Transfer the scones to a parchment-lined or well-greased baking sheet. They can be set fairly close together; you should be able to crowd them all onto an 18" x 13" half-sheet pan. For best texture and highest rise, place the pan of scones in the freezer for 30 minutes, uncovered. While the scones are chilling, preheat the oven to 425°F. Bake the scones for 19 to 20 minutes, or until they're golden brown. Remove the pan from the oven, and allow the scones to cool right on the pan. When they're cool, cut each scone in half once again, to make a total of 64 tiny triangles. Don't be too particular here; in fact, if the scones are already a size you like, don't bother to cut them again. But if you decide to cut, don't stress about making them all the same size, or perfect triangles; trust us, no one but you will care once they're glazed and on the table. Scone Nibbles/King Arthur Flour HTH! Smiles, Sooz