Considering the linked recipe, I dont see the problem. But, I'm a total newbie to canning, I wanted to check with others to be sure. And we dont want to add beef later. We want canned Chili, ready to go. jiminmichigan - the problem with playing with approved recipes is pH and density. Alter either and the processing times become invalid. EX: By adding a couple of pounds of browned ground beef to the recipe above you'd change the density and the pH of the recipe. It would be both more dense and less acidic and the processing time has to be altered to compensate. Using the processing time required for meat would "probably" be safe but it still isn't recommended because there is just no way to know for sure. Or, by cutting back on the tomatoes called for in the NCHFP recipe you would alter the pH making it less acidic and so less safe again invalidating the processing time. The problem is that when you do that the time required for safe processing would just be a guess. No way to test and no way to know for sure. That is why we all recommend sticking with tested and approved canning recipes. They have been tested repeatedly and proven to be safe. Dave

Here's one of my favourite Spanish dishes - Although I have been making it for years the way a Spanish cook once showed me, this time I followed the preparation seen recently on a Spanish Cooking TV channel. Their ingredients included a small piece of or pork fat and a stewing chorizo (chorizo para guisar). If choosing a chorizo for this dish, be sure it is the right type which has the red pimiento colour. The small piece of tocino can be seen just to the right of the sprig of rosemary. Stewed Lentils (Lentejas Estofadas) 350 grams (1 1/2 cups) of small dark lentils - put them to soak the night before in water to cover 100 grams (3.5 oz) red stewing chorizo sausage - lightly pricked over with tines of a fork 50 grams (1.7 oz) salted tocino pork fat - cut into large diced pieces 1 TBSP flour 2 carrots diced fine 2 medium leeks, using only white stems sliced finely in rounds 1 lg clove garlic (this was optional but I wouldn't leave it out) - pass through garlic press 2 cups beef broth (I used 2 Knorr cubes) 1 bay leaf fresh rosemary - small sprig olive oil - about 1/4 cup 2 cups extra water to add after 1st hour 1. Soak lentils the NIGHT BEFORE in water to cover. * Note this if now often unnecessary with newer fast cooking lentils. 2. Next day drain and rinse lentils, put aside. 3. Heat olive oil in heavy cooking pot. When sizzling, add carrots, garlic and leeks. Lightly brown while stirring. 4. Add 1 TBSP flour and keep stirring for about a minute. 5. Add lentils, beef broth, whole chorizo, tocino, laurel and rosemary 6. Put on lid and simmer very gently for 1 1/2 - 2 hours. Check after 1st hour and add up to 2 more cups water as needed. 7. Adjust seasoning and serve. ***************************************** Lentil & Potato Potaje (Potaje de Lentejas y Patatas) 3 cups of presoaked lentils 4 medium potatoes - cut into large dice 2 slices of stale bread 3 cloves garlic vinegar salt Put lentils in large pot, cover with water and begin to boil. As soon as lentils have begun to cook do the following: In a frying pan with 1/2 inch of oil brown the garlic and then add the bread and fry until brown. Remove garlic before it's too dark. Put browned bread and garlic into a mortar and grind to a paste. During the early part of cooking the lentils add the paste from the mortar to the lentils together with the oil that's left in the pan After about half an hour and before lentils are tender, add the diced or quartered potatoes, salt and finish cooking until all is tender. Check and correct salt and a dash of vinegar before serving. Source: A cook friend from Mallorca. *************************************** LENTIL & VEGETABLE SOUP Ingredients: lentils - 250 grams (slightly over 1 cup) garlic - one whole head onion - 1 large - quartered Kasseler smoked pork chop - 1 large (or 250 grams other smoked pork or bacon) ham or pork bone as for making stock 4 medium carrots - sliced into coins 2 stalks celery - diced 5 medium potatoes - peeled and cut into 8ths 6 flowerettes of cauliflower green beans - handful sliced tomato puré - small 4 oz tin olive oil - 4 TBS fresh garden herbs: 1 bay leaf, several sprigs thyme, Italian flatleaf parsley 2 or 3 sprigs chicken stock 1 liter (4 cups) or water and 3 Knorr chicken stock cubes salt & fesh ground pepper water to cook lentils vinegar - 1 teasp garlic croutons - optional garnish Method: 1) Turn on oven to 350F. Put lentils in large heavy bottomed stew pot with water to cover plus about 2 inches, bring to boil and simmer 45 minutes. Check water level and add more as needed. 2) Meanwhile put whole head of garlic into shallow baking pan together with quartered onion, Kasseler or smoked pork and ham or pork bone, drizzle with olive oil and roast in oven at medium heat about 45 minutes. 3) Remove baking tray from oven when all is nicely browned and cut meat into small dice and add to lentil pot along with onion. Squeeze garlic from skin into lentil pot, adding ham/pork bone along with oil and juices scraped from roasting pan. 4) Add rest of vegetables to lentils, chicken stock (or water and stock cubes), tomato puré, fresh herbs and bay leaf, parsley - reserving one sprig, fresh ground pepper. Bring to boil and simmer about 1 hour until vegetables are done, adding more water if needed. 5) When vegetables are tender, remove ham/pork bones and any bare thyme stems from pot, check for flavour and add salt as needed. Add vinegar and stir. 6) Serve with a bit of chopped parsley and more fresh ground pepper. Homemade garlic croutons are also nice as a garnish. Source: Recipe as I learned from a Mallorquin housewife years ago. ******************************* Lentil Purée Convert leftover stewed lentils into a delicious purée by putting them into a food processor and adding the following: 1 1/2 cups of chicken broth 2 lg cloves of garlic crushed and browned in 1/4 cup oil in small frypan 2 slices brown bread broken in small pieces and fried in the garlicky oil until brown Processed the above until smooth and then heat it gently. Dice more pieces of brown bread and toasted them in the frying pan with oil and garlic salt for the croutons. SharonCb

There are still all those ingredients that came from a laboratory. Grandma used to tell me that if it wasn't food 50 years ago, it's not food now. So we still have the added chemical ingredients, which I dislike and avoid whenever I can. As I mentioned, that can of baked beans doesn't have anything in it that I can't pronounce. I love beans. Nearly all beans, any beans. I like them in soup or in burritos, I make a pot of pinto beans and cornbread and that can be a meal for me for a couple of days and I'm happy. I've been known to eat last night's cold baked beans in a sandwich for breakfast, love 'em. Maybe that's it, I love 'em all. I prefer homemade to canned, of course, but I don't find commercially canned beans to be any "mushier" than my homecanned ones. Of course, I come from Michigan, we grow a lot of beans and are the major supplier of dried beans to Europe. 90% of our cranberry beans go to Italy, and I think I eat a good portion of the remaining 10%, LOL. I don't think I've ever met a bean I didn't like except those big, dry and mealy Limas. Cake I can take or leave, even the homemade ones. Like cheesecake, it's OK, but I'm relatively apathetic. Cake mix cake, though, has that metallic flavor and feels like a sponge in my mouth, until it falls apart into those spongy little crumbs. As I've mentioned, Ashley actually likes that texture, Shaun mentioned that she did too, and I don't think that someone else using them indicates a moral deficiency of any kind. Just don't argue that they are cheaper or faster, because they aren't and the savings in time is only a few minutes over making a scratch cake. So, my cake baking will remain relegated to weddings and holidays, Ashley can make Duncan Hines cupcakes if she chooses to and frost them with Nutella. I'll take seconds on the baked beans, any way you can make them, although I prefer them with maple syrup and some nice smoky bacon. Annie

Here's one from bon appetit, that I haven't tried yet. PORCINI-GORGONZOLA BURGERS WITH VEAL DEMI-GLACE (not my pic) A true demi-glace the luscious sauce made by reducing homemade stock and red wine to a rich concentration needs to simmer for several hours, making it the perfect activity for a lazy winter Sunday. Demi-glace 3 tablespoons vegetable oil 3 1/2 pounds meaty veal bones (such as shank knuckle bones or neck bones) 1 medium onion, chopped 1 medium carrot, chopped 1 celery stalk with leaves, chopped 12 cups cold water, divided 2 teaspoons tomato paste 3 fresh parsley sprigs 2 fresh thyme sprigs 1/4 teaspoon black peppercorns 2 cups dry red wine Burgers 2 cups water 1 1/2 ounces dried porcini mushrooms,* broken into 1/2-inch pieces 3 pounds ground sirloin 1 1/2 teaspoons salt 3/4 teaspoon ground black pepper 2 tablespoons (1/4 stick) chilled unsalted butter 6 4-inch square or round sourdough rolls, halved horizontally Fresh arugula Olive oil 6 1/4-inch-thick slices Gorgonzola cheese For demi-glace: Heat oil in heavy large pot over medium-high heat. Add veal bones and sauté until deep brown on all sides, about 12 minutes. Transfer bones to bowl. Add onion, carrot, and celery to pot. Sauté until browned, about 6 minutes. Add 2 cups cold water, tomato paste, herbs, and peppercorns; bring to boil, scraping up browned bits. Add bones with any accumulated juices, then remaining 10 cups water to pot. Bring to boil. Reduce heat to medium-low and simmer uncovered until stock is reduced to 2 1/2 cups, about 4 hours. Strain into 4-cup glass measuring cup, pressing on solids to extract as much liquid as possible. Refrigerate stock uncovered 1 hour. Spoon off fat from surface of stock. Place stock in heavy medium saucepan; add wine and simmer until reduced to 1 cup demi-glace, about 25 minutes. (Can be made 3 days ahead. Cover and chill.) For burgers: Bring 2 cups water and mushrooms to boil in small saucepan. Remove from heat, cover, and let stand until mushrooms soften, about 20 minutes. Using slotted spoon, transfer mushrooms to medium skillet. Slowly pour soaking liquid into skillet, leaving any sediment behind. Boil over medium-high heat until liquid is reduced to glaze, stirring occasionally, about 6 minutes. Cool mushrooms. Transfer to work surface; chop mushrooms coarsely. Transfer mushrooms and any juices to large bowl. Add meat, salt, and pepper; mix gently. Shape mixture into six 1-inch-thick patties. Place on foil-lined baking sheet. (Can be made 1 day ahead. Cover and chill.) Preheat broiler. Rewarm demi-glace over medium-low heat; add butter and whisk until melted. Remove from heat. Place rolls, cut side up, on baking sheet. Broil until lightly toasted, about 2 minutes. Remove rolls; maintain broiler setting. Arrange roll bottoms on plates. Top with arugula. Heat 2 large broilerproof skillets over medium-high heat; brush with oil. Add 3 burgers to each skillet. Cook to desired doneness, about 5 minutes per side for medium-rare. Top each burger with slice of cheese. Broil burgers until cheese begins to melt, about 1 minute. Place burgers on roll bottoms; spoon some demi-glace over. Cover with roll tops. Serve, passing remaining demi-glace separately. *Dried porcini mushrooms are available at Italian markets, specialty foods stores, and many supermarkets. Makes 6 servings. Bon Appétit January 2004 Great ideas at this site, too, - I will possibly make 2 kinds - one for kids one for grownups.