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'Best' Hood vs. Ventahood
Comments (24)Somehow, this thread went on for years without a mention of make-up air. Assuming a hood with sufficient flow rate, particularly for the larger cooktops, make-up air is another significant expense and (for an existing house) potentially an architectural pain to implement. Also, the claims of the VaH sales lady that the centrifugal extraction process of the squirrel cage blower removes ALL of the grease particles is beyond suspect. If it were true, the configuration would be a great help to commercial kitchens that have to pay to have their ducting inspected and cleaned once a year. It is true that the extraction efficiency is a function of the rotational air velocity, but the finer particulates would need something like a turbocharger impeller ( > 100k RPM) to be affected). Also, the VaH wheel is not moving extremely fast; if it were, then the acoustic noise from the air turbulence would certainly exceed that from the supposedly less effective baffles, yet in the testimonies above the VaH fans are described as quiet. The plot below shows a baffle example, and I would yield on any assertion that a squirrel cage blower could have a different extraction efficiency curve. But I won't yield on the claim that the VaH embodiment is 100% effective. The way baffles operate is to remove the larger particulates that would settle or impinge on the duct surfaces and hope that the remaining particulates would be expelled into the outdoors. There is a factor often overlooked in that commercial systems have external upblast blowers, and these can also perform some centrifugal grease particulate removal of their own. Wolf/Broan and Abakka down-roof centrifugal blowers may also achieve some effect there, but at that point the grease is outside anyway. One other comment on VaH squirrel cage blowers: These blowers are more affected by duct and MUA restriction than conventional blowers. They start out with the advantage of no baffles (this is a significant pressure loss in a conventional system), but when an entire system, including MUA is evaluated, VaH will start to lose advantage with added ducting or insufficiently controlled house pressure. Last, I want to remark on the claim that commercial hoods have vastly more airflow than residential hoods. What is important for containment is the velocity of the air entering the hood. If 90 ft/min is achieved, the Greenheck Guide table copied below suggests sufficiency for most residential cooking. One difference is that commercial hoods, which are very high, typically have only one bank of baffles, so the air velocity in the baffle slots can be two or three times that of a typical Wolf hood, say, with its expansive baffle arrangement covering the hood entry aperture. This will improve particulate capture somewhat....See MoreFinalizing the hood choice... (Best/Zephyr/Kobe) (48/54)
Comments (8)MUA may be introduced to the kitchen in any way that doesn't cause cross-draft disruption of the rising expanding cooking plume, but not in any way that "short circuits" the ventilation by flowing into the hood in place of the plume. A diffuser in the ceiling next to the hood might violate both aspects unless the diffuser blades were oriented to force the air away from the hood along the ceiling such that the air current would follow the ceiling, wall, and floor, ultimately approaching the hood from below. There is no limit to how far away the MUA is introduced so long as there is a path to the kitchen air volume. Devious paths may require consideration of their pressure losses when analyzing the MUA performance. As for hood overlap, the principle that is being addressed is that the cooking plume (with gas jet plume where applicable) rises and expands from a hot cooking surface (and from around it when gas cooking). The plume velocity profile (and effluent per unit time profile) is mountain shaped, but the larger part is contained roughly within a 20-degree cone. (Plume shapes vary with temperature and cooking surface.) The cone half angle, then, is 10 degrees. So long as the hood collecting aperture is at least 10 degrees outside every effluent emitting point on whatever pans you use, you should obtain decent capture, barring cross drafts. Note that at 36 inches above the pans, 10 degrees is an offset of 6.45 inches. This is as I said from the pan bases (pan edges for gas flames) and not from the edge of the cooking appliance. Where this doesn't apply is at a back wall where present, and at the sides if cabinets or side skirts direct the plume upward. The hood effective aperture also grows slightly with air flow into the hood, but this is likely (at the recommended 90 ft/min) to be only a couple of inches added effective capture area. The exact behavior depends on the velocity profile of the plume vs. the velocity profile of the hood intake at the edge. (Figure 6 page 30.4 of the 2003 ASHRAE HVAC Applications Handbook provides an illustration of how quickly the hood air velocity drops past the edge.) kas...See MoreBest range hood for a 36” induction cooktop in a near-passive-house
Comments (14)@opaone raises an important point that I'd like to expand upon. Commercial hood operation and its MUA support is one of the highest cost activities for commercial kitchens. The hoods run for long durations, and often require air conditioned make-up air, at least into any restaurant customer area where the pressure is set a tad higher to keep out kitchen odors. Commercial systems are thus designed for power efficiency. In residences, the hoods are operated for shorter periods of time, and typically (where MUA is nearly free) the cost of operation is small in the overall household power budget. Affordability then tends to be a matter of capital cost -- buying the hood, blower, ducting, and its MUA counterpart components and installing them. Striving for power efficiency through higher capital costs will take a very long time to pay off. Also, typical residential kitchens are ill suited aesthetically and space-wise for incorporating commercial hoods. The intermediate case is where the household is subject to stringent air quality requirements that cannot be met by just fresh air exchange. In such as case, treating MUA can be expensive, and the requirement for almost total cooking plume removal requires a large hood, high flow rate, and a lot of MUA. Here, commercial or quasi-commercial systems like opaone has incorporated may be optimal from an overall cost and performance point of view....See MoreHood advice - which is the best?
Comments (26)Hi folks - THANK YOU for all of this incredible information. I have spent a good amount of time digging into all of this over the past few weeks and it’s been fun, daunting, and really educational. It’s led me to realize I likely shouldn’t go with a vent a hood as I originally was thinking. Based on what I’ve read so far, I’m leaning towards an Accurex setup with a 72” hood or another similar commercial custom hood (need to figure out what other good options are in this space). However, I have two questions for you experts if you don’t mind continuing to share your wisdom: As you worked through your setups, how does one go about figuring out the Thermal updraft velocity (feet per min) for a new range / oven combo? I saw examples in the green heck KVS guide but can’t understand how they came up with these estimates, and I have to believe they vary across different appliances, or for appliances that incorporate multiple elements on top of each other like a range and oven and/or warming drawer. How does one go about finding an engineer or professional to help design these type of systems, including the MUA system? I’m in the San Francisco Bay Area in case folks have recommendations for specific people. I’m a bit lost here and apologies for the really basic question but I’m not even sure if I’d hire someone like an HVAC professional/engineer to do this, if some kitchen design folks have this expertise, etc. I am guessing that each manufacturer has folks that do this for their products, but I’d love someone who is independent and could help me piece together the right system across multiple manufacturers if that ends up being the best approach since I’m not sure if Accurex makes all of the MUA components I’d need. While I am really enjoying learning about this myself and do have an engineering background (it’s electrical, though, not mechanical!), I think this is an area where I’d love the guidance of someone who has built many of these systems and knows well what works and doesn’t. Thanks again for all of your advice!...See MoreAglitter
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