Cabinet layout and room for a double oven?
Wanted to get some feedback on cabinets for the new kitchen - drawers, location of DW, and if there is room for a double oven. We may stick with traditional range and microwave above, but curious about options to get a 2nd oven (either a double oven unit, or a traditional range with a 2nd oven). Thoughts? I see possibly 4 locations for a separate oven or double oven - on wall beside staircase, beside DW, in island, or in the corner as a corner unit.
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Comments (4)I have had the Kitchen Aid KEMS308S for 5 years. I had not noticed that the microwave power was low. I doubt that power will be an issue. I assume that many ovens have cool down features. They are not running when the door is open. It is ture that the fan makes some noise, but it isn't that noticable. When I originally purchased this oven I had been intending to get individual ovens, but it turned out that the individual ovens had been discontinued. I see no difference between your choices because they are all double ovens and when one fails, they both fail wheras individual ovens could be replaced individually. I have not heard of the microwave section showing a high rate of failure. You didn't even mention the advantage of the micro/convection. It is not just a microwave, but a real convection oven with a broiling (sort of) element. It is not a speed oven because it does not microwave and heat at the same time. Actually it CAN microwave and crisp via the broil element. Anyway it is a small second oven that can bake a pie or bread (or a small trey of cookies I suppose). It heats far faster than the regular large convection oven because it is small. I find it very useful. The only problem is it is occasionally in use when I would want to reheat a cup of coffee etc. I keep an old microwave in the garage for those cases. While I hope I have relieved your concerns, I believe that there IS an issue. I have had no problem with my oven, and it has been several years since the Main contingent of problems: similar models have encountered a higher than normal thermal fuse blowing during the large oven self cleaning cycle. Unfortunately, the fuse is located on the back of the oven and is a $50 item and shuts everything down. Of course, most people see no problem (myself included) and the problem is certainly due to excessive heat behind the cabinet that could probably relieved by making sure that there is a little more open space back there since you are still installing cabinets? In any case, this is probably a general issue. Other ovens have failed on self clean cycles. At this point, many people concider the self clean to be a marketing ploy and don't use it. Perhaps we just don't make enough spattering roasts, but I have easily wiped down the main oven. It wasn't stuck on hard. Perhaps the surface has anti stick coating? My self cleans have been done mainly to test the thermal fuse problem. By the way, the microwave interior is stainless steel and IS much harder to clean. In fact, that last sentence is probably my most important piece of information. I imagine it would apply to other convection microwaves....See MoreMinimalist double oven cabinet
Comments (3)The installation instructions should be available online. They may give some minimum support values. Other than that, best call the installer. People who are good at their jobs tend to like to be asked stuff, so if it doesn't work, try calling a different installer. OTOH, I think the Ikea option sounds like a great idea. Then you don't have to fuss....See MoreDouble wall oven abutting lower run of cabinets?
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4 years agolast modified: 4 years agoI'd put the ovens in the corner near the DW. I agree with cpartist about the island orientation and prep sink, for all the same reasons.
Compare the length of the yellow line between the fridge and prep sink, to the red line between the fridge and 2nd prep area/clean-up sink.
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4 years agolast modified: 4 years agoIf you switch the fridge and ovens as shead suggests, your plan would stay closer to the original, but all the zones are jammed on one end of the kitchen.
You wouldn't be able to recess the fridge, but you could use a CD (counter-depth) model. I wouldn't recommend moving the DW into the prep space, even though it would be closer to the uppers in the corner. If you keep the DW to the right of the sink, you could store dishes in drawers on the island, across from it. That would keep anyone who might be helping by loading or unloading the DW, or gathering dishes to set the table, out of your actual prep space.
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4 years agoThe double DW idea would work especially well with the changes cpartist proposed. You would have the separate clean-up zone on the window wall, with prep and cooking along the other wall of the L.
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4 years agolast modified: 4 years agoI like the DO there, and I think it is the most logical spot, but it does use up the potential spot for cup/glass/mug storage and coffee area next to DW.
Concerning turning the island, it make sense functionally. Would it take away from the sink/large window wall focal point/visual impact - will it still look framed/balanced? I'm not a designer, so I'm not suggesting it matters but just curious of those who have eye for the "visual" part
Any thoughts on going with traditional range, and put a 2nd oven and microwave under the countertop somewhere? Something like this possibly:
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A few very basic mockups:
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4 years agolast modified: 4 years agoSeeing the long shot of the wall ovens, I'm thinking that a glass-front dish hutch would be a nice visual, and would give you the dish storage you want on that end. So, if you use a range, could you fit a 24" wall oven and 24" MW to the left of the fridge? With the fridge and range/cooktop on that wall, the island will be more functional if it's parallel to the cooktop.
But if it's parallel to the window, you can prep looking into the great room, and those seated at the island will have the window view. Moving the fridge toward the window will help make the triangle in that layout more efficient. A disadvantage, if the ovens are placed to the left of the fridge, would be that the island landing space wouldn't be as convenient.
Parallel to cooktop:
Parallel to window:
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4 years agoI prefer the long side of the island across from the cooking surface. If you like to bake you could use the staircase wall as a separate baking zone as shown in 2littlefishies kitchen or just put an extra oven over there. I like mama goose's idea of the dish hutch.
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