bpath Oh Sophie, Can you help name this one?
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Comments (22)I wonder if this implies, or should imply, a categorical statement about the names of found roses - guilty until proven innocent. Identity is of course a more complex matter. As to SP, I see your point to some degree since some people claim that it´s Paul´s Dresden China, (re)introduced and (re)named by Brooke in 1960. SP is not a study name though, it has been firmly established in the trade over the past 50 years without much debate. Not sure if we want to interpret the naming procedures of the *American* rose society as a binding verdict, one way or the other ... Admittedly, an unclaimed or found rose´s identity in terms of genetic, or breeding origins is a special matter. How do we deal with those (famous) chance seedlings that appeared in nurseries, private gardens or open nature and are now firmly established in commerce, Stanwell Perpetual for instance? What do we really know about Stanwell´s identity in terms of origin or its name? But does this lack of sufficient evidence, or just one vague tale of origin, mean that SP2, just like SP1 or FD, has to be presumed to be guilty, in commerce under a wrong name, and by extension identity? I forgot to mention, btw, that Beales actually classifies Francis Dubreuil as a tea, and they will correct the erroneous classification of FD as an HP in their catalogue. They also state in their catalogue that they now carry the correct Pink Gruss and Aachen, and Irene Watts. Which brings us to ... the second entry on Irene Watts/Pink Gruss an Aachen on HMF - your entry, Jeri? Does it imply that Beales/Guillot were the main culprits in the global distribution of the faux Irene Watts? What about Loubert? Presumably, someone must have given Beales the correct Irene Watts after all ... So let me conclude that the OP, Suzan, will get the correct Sophie´s Perpetual (from Beales). And I will get that too (from David Austin), and the correct Francis Dubreuil (from Beales). Better go to bed now before this gets worse. Andrea...See MoreUh oh, if I only have one poppy plant
Comments (15)evonne, now we're back to where we were before. And your link is very specific about papaver rhoeas, what I read in two different sources pertained to field poppies but assumed it would apply to mine as well, same as what you're saying. But stage found differently. Maybe sometimes they do self pollinate. I doubt we can resolve the discrepancy unless I just try it and see what happens. Not good to keep crossing them to the same genotype though which I would have to do to keep these going if it even succeeds. Today I went out, and two are blooming simultaneously. So it isn't clear if it applies to a single bloom or all blooms on the same plant. Do you think because of the two going now (and hopefully for the rest of the buds), they will swap pollen? No, I read it again, and it says same plant or another plant of the same genotype. My you've got your terminology down better than I do. I wonder what they do to select what I would call a sport but may not be the right term for poppies. At some point in the evolution of any plant with self-incompatibiity, it must have worked or we wouldn't have so many poppies that come true from seed. It appears many don't as they are sold as mixtures such as Angels Choir. In the above photo from WA state, they must cross pollinate, self sow, and produce uniform flowers the following year or they're perennials. This is all new to me, in the dim recesses of my memory, I knew that corn self pollinates, but the link covers that, too. Some plants don't have the inhibiting factor. Others do in certain families. Must be a reason for it going one way for some and the other way for other types, suppose the experts can only speculate about that. I'm guessing for our now infamous Cherry Brandy Rudbeckia, they must have gotten a new bloom and used seeds from that for multiple generations. Where it is now, it reverts to all sorts of things. I wonder how they do select out poppies then or if they can. What about that unique grape poppy? I think it might be a rhoeas, too, but am not sure....See MoreName one plant you could not do without...
Comments (35)Lisa, You specifically mentioned nice smelling shrubs. I am a big fan of fragrant plants. There are lots of them that are great in the heat and don't mind dry weather. Wintersweet - Chimonanthus praecox - blooms in the winter. Very fragrant. Winter honeysuckle - Not a vine, but a shrub, with blooms from November through April. Very fragrant and the scent carries on the air. Banana shrub - Michelia figo or Michelia skinneria - Part shade plant with blooms that smell very strongly of bananas (but in a good and delicious way). The scent can carry 100'. One of my absolute favorite plants. Sweet olive - Osmanthus fragrans - Blooms off and on, whenever the weather isn't too hot and isn't below freezing. Would probably bloom all fall - winter - early spring for you. Smells very strongly of apricots. Roses - especially the antique ones that will pretty much take care of themselves - like Cramosi Superior, or Duchesse de Brabant. Almost any of the china or tea roses are really good. Sweet almond verbena - blooms in summer- Not trailing verbena like you are thinking, but almost shrub like, with spikes of fragrant flowers. Hope this helps, Carrie...See MoreMovie experts: Help me remember the name of this one
Comments (10)LOL granlan_tx I hear ya! Like the old addage, my memory is good, but short. Don't let it wander, little things shouldn't be allowed to wander too far by themselves, etc. No I didn't know that. It was funny to see these people so much younger than I remember them from other films. Now if I could remember where I put Arsenic & Old Lace. I have the tape here and it's another favorite. Want to sit back and movie out one of these days....See MoreMy3dogs ME zone 5A
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