November Reading

msmeow

We've been sluggish on starting the November reading thread, too!


I finished The Address by Fiona Davis yesterday, and I enjoyed it very much.


Now I'm almost through a novella by Louise Penny in the Armand Gamache series, The Hangman.


What is everyone else reading this month?


Donna

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vee_new

I've just finished A Change for the Better by Susan Hill, one of her early works. Written in what must be a deliberate formal style it is the story of a group of people living in a cold, windy 'sea-side resort'. The wealthy couple, pleasant wife and bad-tempered ex Army officer, living in an expensive hotel. The fallen on hard times mother, daughter and young son running a haberdashery. The mother mean-spirited, the daughter 'faded' and to soon being like the mother, the boy praying they will send him to boarding school so he can escape . . . Susan Hill is good at building up real characters, people we all feel we already know.

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carolyn_ky

I finished Dead Simple today, the first of the Roy Grace detective series by Peter James published in 2004. Someone recommended him to me some time ago, and I just got around to him. I really liked the book and am looking forward to more of these books. Set in Brighton.

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Rosefolly

I've been reading books by Guy Gavriel Kay. He is a Canadian writer who writes mostly quasi historical fiction set in an imaginary version of our world. A friend suggested him to me years ago. I enjoyed the first one I read Under Heaven loosely based onthe Tang Dynasty of China. Aha, a new writer to follow, I though. But I was bored by my next selection, his early fantasy trilogy The Fionavar Tapestry. Several years went by but in the past few days I picked up his most recent book A Brightness Long Ago. It is based on an analog of Renaissance Italy. I liked it a lot - complex but not crazy plot, and interesting, vivid characters. Right now I am reading an earlier book called Children of Earth and Sky, based on Italy, Istanbul and the Balkans a couple of decades later than A Brightness Long Ago, and featuring a minor character from that novel.

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reader_in_transit

While at the library, I saw The Nakano Thrift Shop by Hiromi Kawakami (translated from the Japanese). Since I don't recall reading a Japanese novel before, I decided to broaden my horizons and checked it out. It is narrated by Hitomi, a young woman who works at the shop of the title. I've just begun it, but, so far, it is quite good.

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yoyobon_gw

The Devil In White City by Erik Larson....This book came very highly recommended and I am looking forward to reading it next. I watched Expo on Amazon prime video and was amazed at all I never knew about the 1893 World's Fair Expo in Chicago. It was absolutely jaw-dropping amazing.

Erik Larson—author of #1 bestseller In the Garden of Beasts—intertwines the true tale of the 1893 World's Fair and the cunning serial killer who used the fair to lure his victims to their death. Combining meticulous research with nail-biting storytelling, Erik Larson has crafted a narrative with all the wonder of newly discovered history and the thrills of the best fiction.

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friedag

In the October reading thread, Sheri triggered my interest in the history of psychology and psychiatry. The book she read sounds positive and optimistic (I haven't read it), but the six books I read are hardly uplifting. In fact, I found the subject to be appalling. It seems that if readers think they are normal that's reason enough to the 'mind studiers' to think those people are actually abnormal. Everyone is crazy in their own way; only some are crazier than others. Good grief! Didn't that used to be called eccentricity?

The last two I read are:

Anatomy of an Epidemic by Robert Whitaker (originally published in 2010 and revised in 2015) - The fundamental question is: Why did the number of disabled mentally ill in the U.S. triple between 1990 and 2010? Whitaker is a tenacious investigator and pretty even-handed in his presentation of clues to be considered. Although he seems to try very hard to be unprejudiced and only mildly biased, he has some good evidence that there's an unholy alliance between the medical science professions of psychiatry and pharmaceutical research and development. I've heard about this for years (decades), but I think I understand it better after reading Whitaker's book. It's about the intertwined history of these two 'endeavors'.

Mind Fixers: Psychiatry's Troubled Search for the Biology of Mental Illness by Anne Harrington. This is a recently published (2019) book. If a lay reader thinks most mental problems can be blamed on chemical imbalances in the brain and elsewhere in the sufferer's body; well, that's a hugely simplified explanation that really doesn't identify what the imbalance is, or even if there actually is one. Remember all the ballyhoo about serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine? Well, it's time to update our thinking. No 'magic bullet' has been found . . . yet.

I did have to take a few days off from reading Harrington's book, because I was getting so annoyed with historical attitudes, especially toward women's mental health problems. Women, in the early days of psychological studies, were by the nature of their anatomy the very definition of mentally ill, at least most of the time. I know that judging past ignorance is futile, but that ignorance is still exasperating!

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vee_new

I have never read a book concerning psychology or psychiatry, probably because I would be too quick to self-diagnose . . . and I know there is an interesting work out there about a Victorian woman accused of so-called hysterical sexual fantasies who was 'locked up' by her husband, but I can't remember the title or author!

Over here we notice the huge rise in 'disorders' among the younger generation. No sooner does Little Johnny (nearly always a boy) start playing-up at school, or cannot be controlled by his parents, than it is off to the doctor, who refers him to the nearest trick-cyclist ( don't be offended it is a very common expression here) who goes through a battery of Tests and worries the parents with a long list of possible disorders.


Attention deficit hyperactivity bipolar sensory processing oppositional defiant reactive attachment intermittent explosive

Far too frequently these kids are put onto medication often for behavioral traits that 30 years ago would have been dealt with the advice that Little Johnny should not be allowed to stay up late at night watching violent TV programmes. That maybe his parents should see he got nourishing well-balanced meals cutting out the junk food etc.

Of course if a child is seriously disturbed there must be a place for these conditions to be explored and maybe controlled or even cured.

This is just my two-penny worth and goes to show what an old cynic I am.


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msmeow

Vee, sadly I think a lot of that goes on in the US, too. Kids are too over-scheduled, over-sanitized and over-controlled, and don't get a chance to just be kids. Parents seem too quick to label their kids with some kind of disorder.

Donna

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friedag

Vee, the 'instant fix' expectation is part of U.S. acculturation in modern thinking toward medicine. We are fed this propaganda daily. After all, there was a magic drug developed to cure and eradicate, or at least successfully control (e.g., insulin for diabetics) such devastating illnesses as syphilis, tuberculosis, polio, smallpox, measles and others, so why can't there also be a magic drug or cocktail of drugs to eliminate mental illness? People don't want to wait out the possibility of mental illness eventually getting better with time or without radical interference. People want relief and a certain prognosis now, not later.

Another thing that bothers me is the statistics that make women look like the preponderance of people suffering from mental illness. More women than men apparently suffer from these disorders (as of 2015): depression, SAD (seasonal affective disorder), anxiety, panic attacks, obsessive-compulsive behaviors, hypomania (mild mania), agoraphobia and other phobias, etc. Women attempt suicide as often as men do, and self-mutilate, but males are often more 'successful' at accomplishing suicide or severe mutilation. There's about an even number among genders of schizophrenics and bi-polars, and the number of female ADD and ADHD sufferers is increasing although males are still in the majority, at least in popular perception, as you mentioned. The newer disorders such as autism and Asperger's syndrome seem to be equal-opportunity afflictions. I don't know how these 'hard facts' should be interpreted.

The most surprising treatment to me is the development of anti-shyness and anti-over-cautiousness drugs. Wait! I thought shyness (not the debilitating kind) and cautiousness were personality characteristics, not moral flaws or personality defects. Perhaps an anti-Introvert treatment can be developed. How misguided would that be?

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msmeow

Frieda, I'm not taking any anti-introvert medication! :) And why is it "painfully" shy? Nobody is ever "painfully outgoing". There's nothing wrong with being shy or introverted.

Donna

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yoyobon_gw

Here's something interesting ( imo)......according to the personality tests an introvert is someone who, although they socialize, tends to get their energy recharged by being alone and doing singular things rather than seek out groups of friends to re-energize as an extrovert would do.

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carolyn_ky

Actually, Donna, I've known a few people I thought were "painfully outgoing."

Yoyobon, I would never have called my daughter an introvert--she was born talking and has never met a stranger--but she gave me that definition you wrote about, and it is true that she needs alone time to recharge.


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vee_new

Re the modern tendency to over-protect children. We have a series on TV at the moment about a large family living on a remote sheep farm in N Yorkshire. They have nine children between the ages of seventeen and two and, even allowing for the TV camera being right 'up them' the kids appear not to be acting up and seem very normal and well-balanced. Because there are so many of them they are all expected to muck in and help with feeding the lambs, cleaning out the yards, collecting eggs etc. The best part is seeing the interaction between the older and younger ones. Obviously there are squabbles but the older group help and encourage the little ones who learn by example.

NB this family are not playing at farming, nor could they be described as what I think you in the US call 'red-necks'. They are genuine country people who take their responsibilities seriously and understand that their children should take part in the rural life.


Yorkshire Shepherdess (poor sound quality)

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yoyobon_gw

Carolyn, I am an introvert by that personality test and I can talk a shell off an egg ! Introvert, by that standard, means exactly as you've noted....what we require to regroup or recharge our energies. I believe most highly creative people are introverts in that way. I personally find crowds or cocktail parties to be exhausting , which is a feature of being an introvert .

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woodnymph2_gw


Another introvert, here. I definitely cherish my time alone. And I was happily married for years to another introvert. I hate crowds and large, loud cocktail parties.

Vee that Yorkshire family reminds me of the stories my late mother told me about her girlhood. She was the youngest of 11, raised on a working farm in North Carolina. All the children had chores and the older ones looked after the younger ones. They were hardly "red necks", since my grandfather was a schoolteacher, as well as running a farm. I imagine many American "pioneer" families lived in the manner of the Yorkshire family. It was desireable to have many offspring in order to work the land and pass it on through generations, back in the day.

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vee_new

Woodnymph/Mary It is very unusual for people over here to have such large families. The Mother says she gives birth to them so easily (eg within an hour of so of first going into labour) that they just 'pop out' and she is up and about in no time . . .which might not be so easy for many of us females . . . I think 'back in the day' babies just happened as no planning was involved. I'm sure country children had a better chance of survival than those brought up in industrial cities and towns.

And I can't remember the last time I went to a party . . . with or without cocktails.

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rouan

Another introvert here too!


I have been on a reading slump this year, taking back more unfinished library books than finished ones. I am currently attempting to read The Ten Thousand Doors of January by Alix Harrow. Since I am also listening to the Prancing Pony Podcasts recommended on an earlier thread, I am also re-reading The Hobbit to go along with them.

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lemonhead101

I'm learning more about race/diversity/privilege/bias right now and it's been fascinating to realize how LITTLE I actually truly know about this.

It's serious stuff but important, especially on an academic campus. I'm just starting the old 1960 book, "Black Like Me" by John Howard Griffin, when a white man darkened his skin (through medicine etc.) and set out to live life as a black man in the south. Apart from all the ethical considerations associated with this, I'm curious to see how this works out for all those who are impacted.

On a lighter note, I'm also reading "Milkman" by Anna Burns, the 2018 Man Booker Prize for Fiction and the 2018 National Book Critics Circle Award for Fiction. Burns is an Irish writer and it's great so far.

And even lighter than that, we're in the middle of watching "The Durrells in Corfu" about Gerald Durrell's family. After this, I'm going to have to dig out the original volumes to read... (Maybe a good Christmas vacation project?) :-)

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sheri_z6

Add me to the introvert list, too. I just finished a re-read of Robin McKinley's Sunshine and really enjoyed it. I remember having a group discussion about it here long ago, but I can't find the thread (if it even existed). Suffice to say it had been many years between readings and although I remembered the beginning of the story, I had forgotten a great deal of the rest of it. So it's a really good book that I've now enjoyed twice.

I also finished Heartbreak Hotel by Deborah Moggach, probably recommended here at some point. It was cute and was a pleasant and easy read for me during a very crazy week. I followed that up with The Witch's Kind by Louisa Morgan. Set in pre- and post-WWII Washington state, it's the story of a woman whose family has inexplicable magical talents. I liked it and the writing was good, but I felt like an important part of the central mystery of the story was never addressed or resolved, and that was a bit disappointing.

I just received my copy of Erin Morgenstern's The Starless Sea, and I'm both excited and almost afraid to start it, I want it to be as good as The Night Circus, which I loved. We shall see!


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carolyn_ky

I'm an introvert, too, and need (must have) my alone time.

I have read about a fourth of The Strangler Vine and still don't quite know what to make of it. The end paper assures me it is a "rip-roaring detective romp" but not so far. It is set in the early 1800s in India and has great detailed description of the country.

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4kids4us

Another introvert here...

Lemonhead, I read the book Black Like Me way back in my AP English class in high school and wrote a paper on it. It had such an impact on me at that young age that it’s one of the few books I read back then that I can still recall (aside from all the classics).

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kathy_t

I finished reading Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. He made a lot of interesting points about the fact that it takes more than just genius (as in high IQ) to become a real standout in your field. It also takes the support of others, good timing, and opportunity - often being in the right place at the right time, and generally speaking, 10,000 hours of practice in your chosen field. He illustrates this by comparing the enormous success of Bill Gates to the seemingly lackluster success of Christopher Langan, a contemporary of Bill Gates who has an even higher IQ, but grew up extremely poor with no advantages or assistance. It's a very interesting book, but is rather wordy and repetitive.

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woodnymph2_gw

Liz/lemonhead, I absolutely adored the series "Durrells in Corfu." I watched it twice. Let me know if you find the book it originated from.

Amazing how many of us are introverts! It must be related to our passion for reading.

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kathy_t

I do spend a lot of time alone, and it does refresh me. My solitude is, at times, important to me. That said, I still don't really consider myself an introvert. If a person has outgoing personality, but is also comfortable spending time alone, are they really an introvert? (I have not done any research on this.)

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vee_new

The book on which the series is loosely based is Durrell's My Family and Other Animals

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reader_in_transit

Woodnymph,

I haven't seen the series, but Gerald Durrell wrote 3 books about his family when they lived in Corfu:

  1. My Family and Other Animals, as Vee mentioned above
  2. Birds, Beasts and Relatives
  3. The Garden of the Gods

In the US the third book was later published, by Simon & Schuster, under the title Fauna & Family, An Account of the Durrell Family of Corfu.

More recently, Penguin Books published the 3 books in one volume: The Corfu Trilogy.

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msmeow

I started The Summer Guests by Mary Alice Monroe. It's about a bunch of "horse people" in S. Florida who evacuate to another horsey estate in NC when a hurricane is coming. I've read six chapters and so far it's pretty "meh", so I put it aside and started Sunset Beach by Mary Kay Andrews. It's about a young woman who had a bad kiteboarding accident, then her mother died, and she lost her job. Now she's been forced to go to work for her father who she's been estranged from since she was very young. It's light reading but I'm enjoying it.

Donna

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siobhan_1

I'm enjoying Feeding the Birds at Your Table - A Guide for Australia. I was relieved to find this book as it is hard to find good information here is Oz. I don't want to get into an ethical debate, but I'll just state the facts - feeding backyard birds is strongly discouraged here for reasons that are outdated and disproven by scientific observations. And, as the author states, people will feed birds no matter what. Proper information is necessary. People have been feeding birds since both have existed, and this will continue. Also, as I see massive development happening everywhere and the bush continues to disappear, I despair of the wildlife. Okay, rant over. Just posting to remark on how much I am enjoying this book and learning about the common backyard birds and their behavior. Also I am learning about native shrubs and trees that I can plant in my garden to support the local birds who have had their homes bulldozed for McMansions.

Also I have just started The Harsh Cry of the Heron by Lian Hearn. a novel based in Japanese history - one of those generational epics with several main characters. Enjoying it greatly! It is a sequel to a trilogy that I haven't read (not necessary for enjoyment of this novel) but will go back to if this book is as good as I hope it is.





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carolyn_ky

I have enjoyed the Durrells in Corfu series over the past few years. It ended on my PBS station last Sunday night as they went home to England prior to the outbreak of WWII. I am sorry to see it end. It grew on me a lot over the seasons.

Still reading The Strangler Vine. I'm over halfway through now and still not too enthusiastic about it.


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friedag

Kathy, you sound like you might be an ambivert. I've concluded that's what I am, leaning a bit more to the introverted side since I relish my solitude. However, there are times when I don't mind a bit of chaos with my rowdy family. Some of them don't get my desire to take a break from them, though. They say they "worry" about me when I hole up somewhere to read, read, read -- or write. They shouldn't.:-)

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yoyobon_gw

Donna, I finished Long Way Home......another " slam bam ending by Penny". i suspect she doesn't want to make the reader suffer through the nasty bits too long !

Bon

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vee_new

I found a book given to me many years ago by a rather grand Godmother who worked briefly in an up-market book shop; the sort of place where books were displayed on tables rather than stacked on shelves)

The Fearless Treasure by Noel Streatfeild (she of Ballet Shoes fame) published in 1953. Of course some of the language seems very dated today but back then as an introduction to English (not British!) history for a young person I found it a wonderful read.

It is the story of a group of children from all walks of life who are chosen to go 'on a journey' with an eminent historian. They are taken back in time . . . Roman, Saxon, Norman and so on, to find where each child 'fits' into the pattern of history. They discover first the strong sense of smell (!) then the noise, then they 'see' the clothes the people wore and learn much of the social customs of the time they are visiting.

Apparently NS had little interest in history when asked by the publisher to write this book, but remembered her Father finding a piece of worked flint on the Sussex Downs and telling her about the people who had lived there thousands of years ago thereby bringing history alive to her. She did the same in this book.

Wonderful illustrations too in that modernist Post War style.

nb the following Christmas Godmother gave me a cookery book. As a nine year old I did not appreciate the gift!

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msmeow

Bon, that's the LP book where the ending made me mad at her! LOL I just received my library copy of A Great Reckoning and I will start it as soon as I finish Sunset Beach.

Sunset Beach (Mary Kay Andrews) is turning out to be very good! I thought it would be a light "chick-lit" story, but it has a good plot and more depth than I expected.

Donna

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woodnymph2_gw

Vee, I used to love those Noel Streatfield book series. The style of that period is just inimitable, in my opinion.

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kathy_t

Rosefolly - I finally finished reading Maphead … in a way. Like if selective skimming counts as finishing. After taking a break to read another book, I couldn't quite muster up enough interest to reintegrate myself into the subject matter. I realized I'd already forgotten much of what I'd read in the first half.

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vee_new

mary. I must have read all of NS's books as a child, although I think by the later ones she had become rather vague and the stories 'wandered'.

Do you remember how she always had a nanny/governess character who looked after the children (usually of the round comforting type) She kept all the family, including the parents in order and seemed to work for little or no money. I think Streatfeild having been brought up in a vicarage was used to finances being tight and eventually having to earn her own living. I loved her stories of the stage and dancing and especially 'The Circus is Coming' where she lived with a 'real' circus for several months to make the setting accurate.

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kathy_t

Oops, it was Woodnymph who also read Maphead recently. Sorry Rosefolly!

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woodnymph2_gw

Kathy, I dragged myself through "Maphead" to the finish. I do think it would have been a decent read had the author put all the footnotes at the end of the book.

Vee, I don't remember the one about the circus, but I loved "Theatre Shoes" and "Ballet Shoes." Perhaps it was the latter that led to my life-long fascination with ballet and all forms of dance.

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rouan

I gave up on The Ten Thousand Doors of January, not because it wasn’t interesting, but because I ran out of time and it’s due back to the library. Since it is a new book, there is no renewal time allowed. Maybe I’ll give it another try in a couple of months, once it’s removed from the new book shelf.

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carolyn_ky

I finally finished The Strangler Vine and am now reading The Girl Who Lived Twice, the latest in the Lisbeth Salander series. I'm enjoying it more than TSV which never got to be "rip-roaring"although it did give a good description of life in India under "the Company" that later became the British Raj.

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Rosefolly

I have two books going at once which I never used to do, but over the last decade or so I have slipped into doing this. One is the latest Bill Bryson, The Body. It is informative with Bryson's standard touches of humor. I disliked his book At Home: A Short History of Private Life so much I almost didn't pick this one up, but I am glad I did after all. Credit goes to it being the most interesting looking book in the San Diego Airport bookstore.

Rouan, by interesting coincidence I have also picked up the Ten Thousand Doors of January. I'm near the beginning but so far I like it. I'd be happy to have you finish with my copy next time I see you since I expect to be done by then.

Sheri, glad you enjoyed your re-read of McKinley's Sunshine. I liked it a lot, too; in fact it was the last book she wrote that I thoroughly enjoyed.

Siobhan, there is a naturalist named Doug Tallamy who is getting a lot of attention these days. He has a couple of books out that you probably can't get in Australia, but his premise is simple. If we want birds, we have to plant lots of native plants, something like 60% or more of our garden. It seems that most insects native to any area can only eat a few species of plants, and they are the ones they developed alongside. Birds may be insect eaters or seed eaters, but nearly all require insects to feed their babies or they cannot raise their young. So, native plants + no insecticides = a landscape where birds can succeed. His lists of the best plants would not work for your new location, but the basic idea should translate anywhere.

Introvert/extrovert, I've never been able to make up my mind about this. I am happiest when I get both time alone and time with other people every single day.


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annpanagain

Rosefolly, the Tallamy books are available here in Australia but might not be suitable in the suggested planting.

I have a number of flowering trees and bushes in my Retirement Village gardens which attract birds. Among the various species, we have semi-tame magpies that breed every year and it is a joy to see the babies running around and "peeping" loudly to keep in touch with their insect hunting parents!

There are a number of Bottle brush trees near me which are very attractive but they are not a good choice for allergy sufferers. My poor neighbour gets terrible sneezing fits when the flowers start to die and become powdery!

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woodnymph2_gw

Ann , we have Bottle Brush trees here in Charleston SC also. I had never seen them until I moved here and find them amazing in appearance.

We are having our last mild day here before we will be plunged into the deep freeze that most of the rest of the US is dealing with. More like February than November.

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Rosefolly

Ann, I would agree, the plants Tallamy recommends would not be suitable for the purpose in Australia. He recommends by region even here in the USA. Apparently all the Australian plants we have here in California that thrive in our climate are doing the local birds no good at all.

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annpanagain

I think that plantings should be done by region here too. This is a big country and has a huge variety of plants and what feeds off them.

I am in the South of Western Australia, near Perth, the capital city, which is very far from where Siobhan lives, I believe in Victoria. We have an incredible number of wildflowers that only exist locally in this State and tours are put on in Spring to see them.

At Petteet Farm, a field has been specially sowed with Canola for photo ops and to stop people trampling crops while barging through to get the perfect selfie!

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msmeow

We have trees on the west coast of Florida that are called Australian pines, but I have no idea if they are really from Australia. I only recall seeing them near the Gulf of Mexico. They drop wicked burrs, which is annoying since they are near the beaches where people are going barefoot.


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yoyobon_gw

Has anyone ever read The Mirror by Marlys Milhiser ? I read it years ago and recall really liking it. Here's the Amazon blurb, which gave it almost 5 stars.

In this twisting time-travel thriller, a woman faints on the eve of her wedding—and awakens at the turn of the century in her grandmother’s body . . .

The night before she is supposed to get married, Shay Garrett has no idea that a glimpse into her grandmother’s antique Chinese mirror will completely transform her seemingly ordinary life. But after a bizarre blackout, she wakes up to find herself in the same house—but in the year 1900. Even stranger, she realizes she is now living in the body of her grandmother, Brandy McCabe, as a young woman. Meanwhile, Brandy, having looked into the same mirror, awakens in Shay’s body in the present day—and discovers herself pregnant.

As Rachael—the woman who links these two generations, mother to one and daughter to another—weaves back and forth between two time periods, this imaginative thriller explores questions of family, identity, and love. Courageous, compassionate Shay finds herself fighting against the confines of a society still decades away from women’s liberation, while Brandy struggles to adapt to the modern world she has suddenly been thrust into. The truth behind this inexplicable turn of events is more complex than either woman can imagine—and The Mirror is a tribute to the triumph of the female spirit, even in the face of seemingly insurmountable obstacles.

“What happens will surprise you. In the meantime, settle down for a good read.” —The Denver Post

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msmeow

Bon, I haven't read it, but it sounds like I would like it! I read a book a long time ago where a man in modern times finds a coin stuck in the lining of an old coat. When he rubs on the coin he's transported back to the late 1800s and of course meets a woman and falls in love. I thought it was called Somewhere in Time but I haven't been able to find it again. It was made into a movie with Christopher Reeve; I know the movie had a different title but I can't remember that one, either.

Donna

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yoyobon_gw

Donna, I think you would enjoy The Mirror . It was published in the 70's perhaps. She wrote another book, The Threshold which I also enjoyed :

A doorway to the past reveals a warning for the future in this time-travel adventure by the author of Michael’s Wife

Just released from prison after serving time for a false drug charge, Aletha Kingman decamps to Telluride, Colorado, for a fresh start. One day when she’s sketching an abandoned miner’s shack, she encounters a young girl, Callie, who’s been transported from the turn of the century. Aletha follows Callie back in time to the rough-and-tumble mining town where the impoverished girl faces a future of disrepute and her brother Bram is caught in the bloody conflict between hard-working miners and their bosses. Together with her newfound friend, the enigmatic Cree, Aletha is determined to use her foresight from the future to make a difference in the past.

Suffused with the social and political history of the American West, The Threshold crosscuts between the disparate worlds of glitzy modern-day Telluride and its past incarnation as a gritty, turbulent mining town, brilliantly posing the question of whether we can—or should—alter the course of history.


P.S. That movie was Somewhere In Time and is currently available to watch with Amazon Prime video.

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msmeow

Thanks, Bon! And thanks to Wikipedia I now know the title of the book - Bid Time Return.

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vee_new

yoyo, the book you recommend sounds interesting. The trouble is I'm so English I don't think I could cope with characters called 'Shay' and 'Brandy' . . . (: - (

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yoyobon_gw

Oh but Vee, you could cross out those names and pencil in ' Charlotte' and 'Bradford' or ' Beatrice' !

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skibby (zone 4 Vermont)

I don't think you have to be English to disagree with those names Vee. This is a particular quirk that I have and I have passed by many books that I probably would have enjoyed if the names had been different.

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rouan

I picked up No Wind of Blame by Georgette Heyer and am having fun re-reading it. I am finding it more humorous than I remembered; especially the scene... Spoiler alert...


where the step daughter of the victim rids the house of theGeorgian (as in not Russian, as he insists) prince who is trying to marry her wealthy mother.

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carolyn_ky

I read The Mirror decades ago, too. Other than the changes of place, the only thing I remember about it is that the "grandmother" made her children chew twigs because toothbrushes hadn't been invented, and she used slang they never heard anyone else use. And maybe she fell in love with the "grandfather" husband?

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vee_new

yoyo, yes, Charlotte and Beatrice (both grandmothers had that name) would do fine. Bradford is a town in Yorkshire so might not be quite 'the thing' but there is no accounting for the taste/fashion in names. My American GGG father was named Leyburn and his brother Corbin (in the 1830's). Why? I ask. Not Biblical, Presidential or (over here) Royal . .. or even Catholics who are big on Saints. We were careful to give our children 'ordinary' names. After all they have to live with them for their entire lives.

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yoyobon_gw

Vee, I think the Italian tradition back in the day was to name your first born son after the paternal grandfather, the first daughter after either grandmother. I appreciate names that have meaning within the family as those do. How I got my own name is a mystery and unfortunately I never thought to ask my parents ( add that to the growing list of things I wish I'd asked about while they were still with me ).

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vee_new

yoyo, the same 'naming' thing used to happen over here. We had way too many Albert's/George's on my Father's side and a surprising number of Amos' . . . that I took to be Biblical but have since found to be from the surname of a GGgrandmother. Going back to the late 1700's girls called Sophia and Lydia . . . and not from 'grand' families but humble country labourers (shown on census as Ag labs)

I would have liked to ask my Grandparents about their early lives and of their relations. And who were the family in Australia that sent tins of lard during WW11?!

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msmeow

Vee, my mom's father was Amos...not a name you hear any more! I was named for my father (he was Donald, I'm Donna) but my younger sister was named for Princess Anne. When I was young I kind of resented that she was named after a princess and I wasn't!

Bon, I also have a growing list of things I wish I'd asked my parents about. Currently I've been wondering a lot about why there is a 17 year gap between my older brother and me. :)

Donna

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annpanagain

Asking about the family history doesn't always mean that you hear the truth!

When I saw her, after a long absence, my GD told me about the peasant style skirt that had been passed from generations in my family, with each one adding a new petticoat. Her mother had told her about it and that it had got lost in a move. She was sad that she would miss out on the tradition.

I gave a shriek of amazed laughter. That multi-layered skirt was something I had bought at a charity shop for a fancy dress party!

My D had obviously woven a lovely fable around it!

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yoyobon_gw

I attended a seminar at our local college titled " Writing Your Family Story" . During the session the presenter emphasized that it is important to write the truth about family stories and not editorialize or launder them.

It reminded me of one of my DH's family stories wherein his mother's uncle , who was a rum runner during Prohibition, returned via train from Florida in a pine coffin accompanied by a "grieving widow" ( nope) who, when greeted by the family at the town railroad station , wanted to know when the will would be read ! My MIL had fond recollections of his car's backseat being removable so he could carry crates of booze across the border. He always had silver dollars he would flip to the children upon his return to town.


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carolyn_ky

The only "shameful" story in my family that I am aware of was told to me by my mother's older cousin who lived with me when my daughter was in high school and whom we called aunt. When she moved to her son's house, she gave me a crazy quilt that was begun by her cousin as a young woman and finished by her aunt after the cousin died. Seems she was unmarried and pregnant, so she attempted a self-induced abortion, punctured something vital, and died. To help assuage her grief, her mother finished the quilt she had started.

I asked my aunt to write the story down as a history of the quilt. She really, really didn't want to, but she did and made a small pocket on the back side to put it into. It's a very pretty quilt and probably my most valuable antique.

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yoyobon_gw

Carolyn, that is very touching.

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vee_new

Too many skeletons in my family's past cupboards! From bribing a magistrate to being thrown into prison for debt. For serving alcohol 'after hours' to fighting with neighbours. The husband of one far-off ancestor shot himself during the night and everyone in the street heard the gun go off and ran to see what was happening. His wife, in the next room, apparently heard nothing! What a heavy sleeper!

Found all this info. at the UK 'on-line' newspaper site.

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reader_in_transit

Finished The Nakano Thrift Shop by Hiromi Kawakami (translated from the Japanese). Not much happens in this novel, except everyday life at the secondhand shop of the title, in a Tokyo suburb, and Hitomi's (the narrator) interactions with her coworkers and customers. As in some modern TV shows, her coworkers become a sort of family, all of them a little bit eccentric. There is some sexual content, that pops up now and then, but it is done in such a matter-of-fact way, that it does not seem jarring.

I liked the book, and eventually will read another book by this author.

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yoyobon_gw

Vee....those on- line newspaper sites are great for family history . Through on in New York state I discovered that my Sicilian grandfather and two of his cousins got into a fight in a bar with a man who apparently was flirting with their female cousin. They were taken to court ....the headlines were " Three Sicilians Threaten Man " ( how's that for PC !...but it was 1906 ). As the story went they told the man that if he didn't leave the girl alone they were going to through him under a local train as it went by !! ( you can take the man out of the Sicily but you can't take Sicily out of the man ! ).

No one in the family had ever heard that story until I unearthed it in this newspaper archive site. Through the same source I also discovered a distant cousin from Chicago, while visiting here, was a victim of a gang hit and shot dead in his garage. ( 1932 )

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vee_new

yoyo, rather like the stories told by the Grandmother (what was her name?) in The Golden Girls!

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yoyobon_gw

Sophia Petrillo !

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carolyn_ky

I am reading The Overlook in my continued plan to read all of Michael Connelly's Harry Bosch books in order. Still have a number to go and am spreading them out, but I am enjoying them.

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reader_in_transit

Reading My Sunshine Away by M. O. Walsh. A fifteen-year-old girl is attacked one evening near her home in a suburban neighborhood, that was safe until then, in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. The story is told by a teenage boy, who lives across the street and is infatuated with her, to the point of obsession.

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carolyn_ky

I started Deborah Crombie's A Bitter Feast last night and love it. I wish her books weren't spaced so far apart, but they are worth the wait.

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vee_new

Just finished A Dark Adapted Eye by Barbara Vine (aka Ruth Rendell in psychological mode) Not an easy read firstly because the print was SO small but mainly owing to the plethora of characters. Told in the first person by the 'daughter of the house'. She details family members going back generations, most of whom seem to play no part in the 'plot'. As other, mostly nasty, characters were added I got even more confused; wondering if these were relations I had already missed. It was obvious something nasty was going to happen from the first sentence, but by the end I just felt "Get on with it. Let the hangman do the deed."

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carolyn_ky

Finished A Bitter Feast late last night and loved it. Either it is better than usual, or it's been so long since the last one that I've forgotten.

I have just begun A Cruel Deception, the newest Bess Crawford book by Charles Todd.

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kathy_t

I finished reading Show Me the Murder by Carolyn Mulford. It's the first of a series of "Show Me" mysteries, all set in the state of Missouri. Moving on.

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yoyobon_gw

Has anyone read It All Comes Back To You yet ? It sounds interesting.

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kathy_t

Yoyo - Never heard of It All Comes Back To You, but I just read a description and it does indeed sound interesting. I hope you read it and tell us your recommendation. I'm looking for a good, preferably uplifting (but not a firm requirement) book to read.

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yoyobon_gw

Kathy, will do. I plan to get a copy of it.

Right now I'm reading Lunch In Paris , then will return to the Three Pines series with #11/15 The Nature Of The Beast. I'm not sure if I recall that you said you've read that Louise Penny series, but if you haven't I highly recommend it ( start with #1 Still Life ).

Bon

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msmeow

Bon, I'm nearly finished with A Great Reckoning. LP has done her usual leading the readers down many paths before revealing who the killer is. I'm enjoying it, but have to say I'm getting a bit tired of corruption in the Surete and Gamache being the only one who can root it out. It must be time for me to take a break from Three Pines.

Donna

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lemonhead101

Just finished up a quick read of Gloria Naylor's 1982 "Women of Brewster Place" which was actually a lot darker than I had anticipated. It's still a good read, but just darker than I thought. No biggie. I've been busy with work so not that much reading going on right now - tired eyes from grading - but still reading Anna Burns' Milkman novel and just about to start another NF but which one? ... :-)

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kathy_t

Yoyo - I also am a fan of Louise Penny and have read nine of her books. I was reading them in order, but then I skipped over a few and read Nature of the Beast out of order - because that's what was available to download from the library while I was traveling. That was a mistake because from that book I learned things that had happened in the ones I skipped - someone had retired, another person had gotten married, and a third person had died. It was disconcerting! I've read a few since, trying to get back on track, but I'm not totally there.

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sheri_z6

I just finished The Widow of Rose House by Diana Biller, a romance set in 1875 New York City. The main character has returned to New York after years abroad, her reputation in tatters courtesy of her vile late husband. She buys a crumbling mansion with the idea of bringing it back to its former glory and writing a book about home decor for the middle class (evidently she was anticipating HGTV by a century or so). The house in question is haunted and a handsome professor shows up to investigate.

I enjoyed it while I was reading it, but then afterwards something about it bothered me and I started picking it apart. The characters were great (the professor was simply the most lovely hero imaginable), the time and setting were interesting (I'm developing a minor fascination with Gilded Age New York), and even the ghost was not your run-of-the-mill spirit. However, IMO, the story went off the tracks when it veered into contemporary romance territory. Usually random anachronisms and romance novel sex doesn't bother me because, well, it's a romance novel. But because this story was a bit gothic and a bit more literary than the usual romance novel, and because the time and the strict social mores were so key to the heroine's problems, that when she and the professor suddenly became lovers without any societal repercussions, I felt jarred out of the story. That said, there's still a lot to recommend this book.

I'm currently reading The Witches of New York by Ami McKay, set in the same time and place as The Widow of Rose House. This story is so much better in evoking time and place, and the magical fantasy elements are woven into it beautifully. The writing is lovely and it reminds me very much of Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, a book I adored (only this one is blessedly free of footnotes). The main characters are three women with certain gifts; one is a seer who honed her people-reading skills as a circus side-show palm reader, one is a hedge witch who deals in medicinal herbs and spells, and the third is a teenager who can see ghosts, but has no idea of the real scope of her powers. They run a tea shop in New York City called Tea and Sympathy where they cater to the needs of society women who have wealthy husbands, fine clothes, and jewels, but no rights or freedoms in 1880s America. I'm almost half way through and completely hooked.

I have Erin Morgenstern's The Starless Sea waiting in the wings, and that will be next.

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carolyn_ky

Sheri, have you read any of Victoria Thompson's Gaslight Mystery series? It is set in 19th century New York.

I feel like I hit the jackpot today. I returned some books to the library and snagged Louise Penny's A Better Man AND Ann Patchett's The Dutch House. They are both seven-day books, so that takes care of next week.

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sheri_z6

Carolyn, I have not, but I will look for them. I'm not a big mystery reader, but occasionally I do enjoy them, and I'm finding Gilded Age NYC fascinating. Thanks for the recommendation.

Please let us know what you think of The Dutch House, that's definitely on my reading wish list!

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lemonhead101

Finally, got around to choosing the next read: it's a relatively older one: Akenfield: Portrait of an English Village by Ronald Blythe. (Vee- you have probably heard of or read this one?)

It was published in 1969 but written in 1960 and features NF interviews with the inhabitants of a fairly "typical" village in Suffolk.

It's fascinating - the villagers are mostly linked with farming and at this time, they are still trying to understand and fit in with the transition from small rural one-owner farms to the larger factory-type farms.

It's like eating crisps: - just one more... :-)


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vee_new

Liz/lemonhead. I have my own well-read copy of Akenfield; a delightful read. Suffolk has lost many of its ancient hedge rows and trees with the development of 'industrial-scale farming as you mentioned.

A film was made of it in the '70's and a friend's boyfriend had the part of an 'extra' in a scene about the RAF based in the area during WWII. He had to get quite a short haircut!

I believe there are several other books by Blythe. He wrote for many years, a column in the Church Times.

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woodnymph2_gw

Carolyn, I've also just checked out Penny's "A Better Man." It's been a while since I've read one of her mysteries. This one is long. I'll be interested in comparing notes after we have finished.

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carolyn_ky

Mary, I'm about halfway through the Penny book and would like to live in a Three Pines type of village and have plenty of money to hang out in the cafe and bookstore.

Sheri, the Thompson books are best read in order. The main character is a midwife and so gets involved in all levels of society.

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sheri_z6

Carolyn, thanks! I requested the first one from the library yesterday.

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msmeow

Carolyn, the folks in Three Pines never seem to have to pay for anything!

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woodnymph2_gw

Maybe Three Pines is like a commune and possibly they use bartering? Just a guess. I would love to live there, too, except I don't think I could endure the winters. It has been cold enough already here in Charleston SC.

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msmeow

Me, too, Mary! We've had chilly temps this week and I am over it. On top of that I'm sitting here in my office freezing.

Donna

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carolyn_ky

Finished A Better Man and am reading away on Dutch House. Both are great.

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roxanna7

Out of lurkdom to give a recommendation for Morgenstern's The Starless Sea. Am almost finished, and it has been an amazing experience, unlike anything I've read before. Confusing at times, but amazing overall.

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vee_new

roxanna, I had to look this one up as it has only been available over here in the UK for a short time; all 5 star responses to it, even when people didn't quite 'understand' it.

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kathy_t

Roxanna - We are always eager for new recommendations, so thank you for posting. Can you tell us anything about The Starless Sea without giving too much away?

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kathy_t

This morning I finished a charming and very short book titled Sadie Shapiro's Knitting Book by Robert Kimmel Smith. I don't remember what made me pick it up from the library shelves, but I sure did enjoy it. It's a sweet story about an elderly Jewish woman who lives in at the Mount Eden Senior Citizens Hotel in Queens and considers herself to be the country's best knitter. The story begins when she submits a manuscript of her unique knitting patterns to a New York publisher. From there, the force of her personality begins making things happen for everyone she comes into contact with. My only quibble with the book is that Sadie is in her early seventies. All of you and I know that's far from elderly, right? (I believe the author was fairly young when he wrote this book.)

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yoyobon_gw

Kathy.....here on on line synopsis of Starless Sea :


Zachary Ezra Rawlins is a graduate student in Vermont when he discovers a mysterious book hidden in the stacks. As he turns the pages, entranced by tales of lovelorn prisoners, key collectors, and nameless acolytes, he reads something strange: a story from his own childhood. Bewildered by this inexplicable book and desperate to make sense of how his own life came to be recorded, Zachary uncovers a series of clues--a bee, a key, and a sword--that lead him to a masquerade party in New York, to a secret club, and through a doorway to an ancient library, hidden far below the surface of the earth.

What Zachary finds in this curious place is more than just a buried home for books and their guardians--it is a place of lost cities and seas, lovers who pass notes under doors and across time, and of stories whispered by the dead. Zachary learns of those who have sacrificed much to protect this realm, relinquishing their sight and their tongues to preserve this archive, and also those who are intent on its destruction.

Together with Mirabel, a fierce, pink-haired protector of the place, and Dorian, a handsome, barefoot man with shifting alliances, Zachary travels the twisting tunnels, darkened stairwells, crowded ballrooms, and sweetly-soaked shores of this magical world, discovering his purpose--in both the mysterious book and in his own life.

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kathy_t

Whoa! That sounds … well perhaps amazing. I'm not sure!

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yoyobon_gw

You read it first :0) .... I'm still stuck on " pink-haired protector"

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kathy_t

Yoyo - Don't think I can do it. I have commitment issues.

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yoyobon_gw

Perhaps Roxanna will elaborate on the "amazing" aspects of it for her. I'd be interested .

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roxanna7

Vee_new, Kathy_t and Yoyobon -- Here I return, after musing about how to elaborate on the aspects of The Starless Sea. Full disclosure: I loathed having to do book reports back in the days when dinosaurs roamed, and always thought that process somehow spoiled my reading enjoyment. However...

I will not call this a review or report, but rather my impressions and how this book has/will affect me. Your miles may vary.

This book is unlike anything I have read before, and I have been a voracious reader of fiction, non-fiction, poetry, you-name-it for more than 70 years. I needed to suspend both belief and disbelief while reading this one; it was a tad difficult to get into it, but once I found a rhythm, it moved along apace (I had to force myself to not read too fast -- still, it has taken me more than my usual time to read a 500-page book).

I found this book to be magical, fantastical, lyrical, philosophical and I am still under its spell (only 20 pages left, sob). I do think that it will be with me for some time to come, maybe forever. I was heavily influenced in childhood by the old fairy tales (NOT the Disney stuff, but Andrew Lang, Andersen and the Grimms) and this book falls into the same magical domain, to me. The author's style and language is modern enough when she wants it to be, but at the same time rather other-worldly. I loved that.

In another life/story, I would like to BE the author of this astonishing book; maybe in another life/story, I am.


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msmeow

I finished The Burnt House by Faye Kellerman last night. I'd read it before a long time ago, but I didn't remember a lot of the details so I read it all again.

I've just started The Black Echo by Michael Connolly. It's the first Harry Bosch novel. Carolyn has inspired me to read them all in order. :)

Donna

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vee_new

Just finished a most enjoyable read Old Baggage by Lissa Evans. It is a prequel to her Crooked Heart which some of us enjoyed a year or two ago. The 'old baggage' in this story refers to Mattie Simpkins an erstwhile suffragette (ie a Votes for Women campaigner) during the early years of the last century and how she tries to improve the 'lot' of women and girls. A wonderfully rounded character who, with all her faults is very believable . . . and reminded me of one or two elderly Mistresses at my secondary school! At the end of the story we meet the little boy Noel, who will become a main player in Crooked Heart.

Lissa Evans really gets into the feel of the 1920's (not that I was there) and the characters are really alive.

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woodnymph2_gw

I am about three quarters finished with Penny's "A Better Man." For me, at this point, it is getting a bit bogged down with the narrative. In my humble opinion, this mystery could lose about 75 to 100 pages and still be riveting.

I've read most of Penny's novels. Does anyone recall which one had to do with a world war and some art inside the church at Three Pines? I should like to revisit that one; I think it was my favorite.

I have waiting on the TBR pile the autobiography of Susan Rice, "Tough Love."

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msmeow

Mary, that's the one I just finished - A Great Reckoning.

Donna

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carolyn_ky

Have any of you read The Dutch House? If so, I would like to ask a question that might be a spoiler for new readers.

I'm presently reading Black Dog by Stephen Booth, the first of an English mystery series that I have read a couple of before now. This was only available electronically, and I have conquered the new world to the extent that I was able to download it.

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kathy_t

Roxanna - Thank you very much for the lovely non-book report, non-review of The Starless Sea that you wrote for us. (I believe we need you to come down out of lurkdom more often.) You make it sound very tempting, even though I almost never like what is referred to as "Magical Realism." I'm going to have to give it some serious consideration. I wonder if you happened to read Erin Morgenstern's previous book, The Night Circus? (I have not.) I understand that this one is not a sequel, but has some of the same characters - or some such connection, and I am wondering if you recommend reading it first?

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yoyobon_gw

Thank you Roxanna . Your impression of the story and your experience was very interesting....and it makes me want to read the book. Did you read The Golem & The Jini by Helen Wecker ? Your description reminded me of this favorite of mine. You must lurk less and converse more !

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sheri_z6

Carolyn, thank you for the Gaslight mysteries recommendation. I zipped through the first one and really enjoyed it. The characters are great, and I'm looking forward to reading more. I finished Murder on Astor Place and have requested Murder on St. Mark's Place from the library.

Roxanna, another thank you for your review, I am so excited to start The Starless Sea. The book has been sitting on my bedside table for over a week, but things have been crazy busy and I want to be able to read for long stretches with this one. Hopefully I'll start after Thanksgiving.

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roxanna7

kathy_t, yoyobon and sheri_z6, thank you for your comments on my "review"! You made my day this morning with your encouragement about coming out of lurkdom, lol.

I have not (yet??) read The Night Circus, nor The Golem and the Jini, but will look for both. I think you could read The Starless Sea first without a problem, as I did. I'd be curious as to how any of you view The Starless Sea if/when you read it.

I have of recent years enjoyed several books that tend to fall into the magic fantasy catagory, oddly. Maybe I wish subconsciously to return to the days of yesteryear when fantasy seemed truly possible (one favorite fairy tale was "The Twelve Months" and others like that one). Perhaps I am slowly tumbling into my second childhood (not an entirely bad thing, IMO)...

On the other hand, I also like alternative history novels and wonderful non-fiction, such as Salt, The Sixth Extinction, Timefulness (geology/climate change) and much of Bill Bryson!

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yoyobon_gw

Roxanna, I love Bill Bryson and have read almost all of his books. Many of us in here are "of an age" so jump on in, the water fine !

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roxanna7

Thanks, yoyobon -- I'm not much of a swimmer, but I may wade in gently!

My idea of heaven is filled with vast, unending libraries, with all my favorite now-departed authors still writing, and unlimited time for me to discover other literary delights. If that is not the scenario, then I shall just have to live forever here and now and keep on reading!

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woodnymph2_gw

Donna, thanks. I had thought that was the one.

roxanna, from what you have written here, perhaps you might enjoy "In the Shadow of the Wind."

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yoyobon_gw

The Shadow Of The Wind.....must enjoy vampires :0)

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woodnymph2_gw

That reminded me --- roxana, you might also enjoy "The Historian" by Elizabeth Kostova.

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astrokath

Carolyn, I have read The Dutch House (and enjoyed it).



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skibby (zone 4 Vermont)

I'm getting this done just under the wire I guess. In last month's thread Woodnymph asked about my bookclub's reaction to Becoming by Michelle Obama. I didn't respond because the meeting was cancelled. We have met since then and I'm sorry to say that there wasn't much discussion about it. Most liked it okay but other than that, not much was said. Perhaps it had been too long since everyone read it. I've been asked to temporarily step in as chair of this club while the person in charge is recovering from an injury. I have a feeling that I may be asked to do this permanently and I have some misgivings about doing that. This bookclub read will be March - Book I by John Lewis which I have already read. I went on to read Book II and Book III. These are Graphic novels that I really enjoyed. The book one I think I already mentioned, is our Vermont Reads book for this year.

Others for this month in my regular life This Tender Land by William Kent Krueger. A gem. In trying to give new-to-me genres a fair shake I read two other graphic novels. The Hound of the Baskervilles (A. Conan Doyle), my first and I think to be only Sherlock Holmes mystery. I liked the story very much but didn't know going in that Holmes was a flaming a$$. I also read GN of Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury. I didn't find this particularly well suited for this format. It read almost like a Cliffs notes version. I own the complete book but haven't read it yet - I certainly will though. I've only read a half dozen GNs but think that some books are better suited than others for graphic format. It also depends on the illustrator. Conclusion: it depends.

I just received a book in the mail called Ice: The Nature, the History, and the Uses of an Astonishing Substance by Mariana Gosnell. It was recommended I believe by Donnamira quite a while ago but I hadn't been able to find it locally so succumbed to Amazon. Just have dipped in a bit but have learned some already. Thanks Donnamira for that tip. I'll probably post more about this book later.

There is more I'd like to add but this is too long already.

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carolyn_ky

Astrokath: SPOILER ALERT for The Dutch House

On another forum's reading thread, someone made a comment that at the end of the book, Danny was gay. I didn't see any indication of that and wondered if I just read over it or was reading too fast to see it. Please set me straight!

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astrokath

Carolyn, I didn't get any inkling of that either. His marriage wasn't entirely happy, but I thought that was because they ended up having different aims in life, not because he was gay.

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carolyn_ky

Thanks, Kath, I thought my reading skills were better than that! No one else made any response to that poster.

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kathy_t

I'm #37 in line at the library for The Starless Sea by Erin Morganstern. I'm sure you all wanted to know that.

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annpanagain

Of course we did!

I am able to use several different libraries, so I queue-shop around!

When I am really really desperate, I actually buy the book...

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kathy_t

Me too, Annpan!

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yoyobon_gw

Kathy.....I'll be counting the days........if it takes a person two weeks to read the book , you should be getting the call for it around 2021 ! I'd be looking for it cheap on Amazon used books :0)

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roxanna7

I had to buy The Starless Sea, of course! There are just some books that belong in my personal permanent library.

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