Which David Austin rose would look best?
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Best David Austin (or similar) rose in the heat?
Comments (23)Update, 1 year later, temps in the upper 90's to 100's. Winchester Cathedral: kept growing and blooming when the heat began, but then slowed down and with much smaller flowers. Weird fragrance. Bolero: Second year. Grows and blooms throughout the heat, almost the same as in the cooler weather. Nice fragrance. Flowers are with rare exception damaged and distorted by thrips. Looks awful most of the time. William Shakespeare 2000: third year. Keeps putting out flowers if well irrigated, but flowers more pale and fry by day 2. Probably would be better if grown very wet, but not something I want to do here in the desert. Falstaff: puts out a few flowers and growth slows but does not stop in the heat. Flowers are smaller, but do not fade, and they do keep their petal count. No fragrance. Abraham Darby: Second year. Flowers withered immediately when touched by the high altitude sun here in 80 degrees, even with copious rain. Does not want to grow. May need more water. Plant is removed. Glamis Castle: New this year. After a troubling start (did not like being overwintered in the garage, was then planted out), flowers came in the heat of summer, lasted a few days without damage. Fragrance of mothballs. Radio Times: Produced a lot of flowers in its first flush that did not show damage in the heat, but as the heat wore on, no signs of growth on this second year plant. Great fragrance, color and form. Wish it would grow. Alnwick Rose: Second year. Continues to grow and put out flowers in the heat, but they don't last more than a day before getting crispy. No fading in that one day. Absolutely wonderful fragrance. Evelyn: just planted a month ago. Put out one flower in 90's heat, no heat damage. Bishop's Castle: New this year, grew slowly in the unusually cool spring, growth sped up in the heat. Keeps growing and putting out buds in temps over 100. Flowers bleach with temps greater than 100, and don't last as long but still a few days. Mild fragrance. So far the most vigorous in the heat. This is the best Austin in the heat in my garden this year. Incidentally: Madame Isaac Pereire and Marie Pavie, seem to be doing just fine in the heat, with irrigation. Thanks all, for your input!...See MoreWhich David Austin would you never plant again/
Comments (180)One that really didn't "make it" for me is Spirit of Freedom. It hangs on, and it gives a few blooms a year, that flop, and often ball (people say it likes warm climates), and it is in a rose hedge in NE exposure. But in the sunnier spot, I didn't get one viable bloom. I also couldn't get my two own-root Othellos to take off for anything, but they seem so pretty, I may try again (you can still find them under their secondary name "Auslo"). But I now know that it was "my fault" some of my Austins that didn't make it . Like, for example, thanks to this forum, I learned that it takes a few years (at least 3 years) for many to get going, so I maybe I SP them too soon. When I first started gardening, I put things in the ground, never watered them, and if they made it, they made it, and surprisingly, quite a few of them did, including Lady Emma Hamilton and Claire Austin, which are both 16 years old, and survived a move. But they definitely were not giving the "best" of themselves. When I got a bigger garden, and tried some new Austins, I was really disappointed because I had so few blooms and a few croaked, so I started planting other things, but now am going back to them. Here are a couple of things I have learned from that experience (and thank you to the experts on this forum, among others like the Rose Geek and Darren Harwood, as my roses have never looked better or had buds so early!): 1) Soak bareroot roses longer and harder than most basic websites say (I even resurrected a few that seemed dry and dead in the box by leaving them soaking for days, and wow, did they hit the ground running compared to the ones from years past and has less die back) 2) in my opinon, it's better to get bareroots early in the season, when it's still warm, and plant before winter because the ones at the end of planting season can be dried-out conkers and they may freeze as they begin 3) plant them with good commercial dirt and feed if you have bad dirt in the ground (which I do) 4) and if potted, totally plant them with their dirt 5) to get the best of roses, it really is essential to feed or compost on the schedule experts like the Rose Geek give (In my "worst" exposure, I thought my lack of blooms, at first was due to not enough sun, but if I feed, I even get blooms in late fall, when they only get like an hour or two, and the healthier they are, the fewer diseases they get (like people) 6) DA roses and "baby" (new) roses do need more water than one thinks--this was my worst rookie mistake 7) many DA roses like cool and humid better than hot and dry 8) and, if struggling, don't hesitate to move them from hot to cooler, more or less sun, pot or ground, sometimes they come back in a new spot but sometimes they don't 9) Don't hesitate to put in the compost (or SP) a disease or pest magnet, as, when it's gone, the disease goes, and like jobs and partners, some are just a "bad fit" for one, even if good for others 10) giving roses a "haircut" ( remove leaves and prune) seems to help if massive infestation or disease attack, they will come back, and especially, get rid of leaves during winter prune, and that is how I got rid of nasty fungal attack due to bad experience with Baron Girod d'Ain. Also, in Europe, the DA roses I have are either on Laxa, own-root, or occasionally multi-flora, and they seem to perform quite differently than their US counterparts. Like my own-root Princes are healthy, continuous blooming stars. And my own-root Abes are a real toughies, too. These may be the basics for many people on this forum, but some DA roses are super tricky, and I almost gave up, so here is everything I have learned for those who are as frustrated as I was when I started! (And I am still learning so please take this advice as the imperfect, work in progress, it is! And thanks again to the experts here!)...See MoreWhich David Austin rose is THE most fragrant?
Comments (41)To me, the most fragrant Austin, and my favorite, is The Prince, which smells like an old-fashioned garden rose, like something that would be in a grandmother or great-grandmother's garden. Close runner-ups would be Munstead Wood, which has a very rich fragrance with whiff of berries, and Jude the Obscure, which smells like the Annick Goutal perfume, Eau d'Hadrien. I just started growing Evelyn, and the scent is not powerful (yet), but it is really unique, unlike any rose I've ever smelled. It sort of smells delicious, like you could eat it. The Alwick Rose is also one of my most fragrant, it smells like Raspberries, but also a bit like cake. Lady Emma Hamilton is really also great for scent. I don't get as powerful of a fragrance from Young Lycidas as the roses I mentioned above, but it is quite lovely, and on par with Summer Song in that they both smell great and and are original in every way. They not only have unique fragrances but colors that aren't found in other roses that i have seen, really exceptional in that way. However, while all they are both are healthy, they have sort of gangly/spindly habits, so are perhaps best planted among other plants that will sort of support and fill in for the lankiness. So beautiful though. Jubilee Celebration also gets honorable mention for original scent, in particular, and color as well, but will possibly disappear off the market soon, I have heard. There was a discussion above about the white roses. I have Glamis Castle, Desdemona, Claire Austin, and William and Catherine. None of their perfumes are that powerful in my garden, and I don't see that much of a difference in their flowers. Desdemona perhaps has the most complex fragrance. William and Catherine and Glamis Castle have that very "myrrh" fragrance that some people love or hate (so does the lovely mauve Charles Rennie Mackintosh, which I personally adore), as does Wollerton Old Hall, which has a bit more myrrh than I expected (I kept hearing things, like "honey, etc.) but does smell very sweet and rather strong (and it's only in its first summer). William and Catherine has an attractive and compact bush and is super healthy. Claire Austin needs a lot of space and mine is 15 years old and never better. Desdemona has been floppy and thrown out many octopus canes so am not super enchanted by it yet. Glamis Castle is still a newbie so too soon to tell but it has given me an impressive number of blooms in the 3 or 4 months I have had it (own root). Of the more recent additions, I couldn't get either Gabriel Oak or Eustacia Vye to take off. Emily Bronte in year two, finally, has some repeat bloom and her fragrance is really lovely, and growing on me, and perhaps rivals Evelyn's, but is a bit different. But the one rose that seems to have the most fragrance projection power has to be Mary Rose, which I planted at the end of last summer because it is supposed to bloom all the time, unlike many trickier varieties. And it really does. And the day or so, it is not in bloom, it is remarkable by the absence of its fragrance, which smells like expensive beauty products and adds a note to the overall perfume of the garden but is not the best rose to take inside because it grows in clusters. Golden Celebration smells sweet and lovely, and its cheefuly yellow color makes it remarkable, but in my opinion, the fragrance is perhaps a bit over-hyped in the marketing materials, even if also amazing. I personally don't get strawberries from it. However, mine is only in year one. Abraham Darby also has one of the most complex scents, but mine are still in there first year, so the fragrance is not that powerful yet. Hope this helps anyone trying to figure this out!...See MoreWhich of your David Austins has the best habit?
Comments (31)@B_cs, the John and Bob's clay soil kit comes with 2 bottles: 1 bottle is a mixture of saponin (from yucca extract) and high concentration of kelp, and the other bottle contains a mixture of 3 soil bacteria. Before applying to roses, you mix the 2 bottles together with water. You will see some foaming, which is coming from the saponin. The instructions are quite clear on the web and also on the box. You can either broadcast over a large area or use as a soil drench on existing roses or new roses. I do the latter. It is important to preserve the bottles well in room temperature before you use them due to the live bacteria in one of the bottle - they can't tolerate high heat. I like the soil kit. Since I start using it, I notice my roses are healthier and bloom better. I think you can use it several times a year, but I use it at spring time and in the fall. It is not a cheap product by any means, and since I have about 150 roses, I can't afford it more than twice a year. Note one of the soil bacteria is bacilius subtilis 317, which also has good anti-fungal property and is the active ingredient of Cease, a biologic fungicide....See Morenatcat2000
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