Which David Austin rose is THE most fragrant?
Civil Servant (Zone 5)
7 years ago
Featured Answer
Sort by:Oldest
Comments (41)
mcnastarana
7 years agodregae (IN, zone 6b)
7 years agoRelated Discussions
Which David Austin (DA, english) roses last longest in a vase?
Comments (37)I have found the English Roses to be a disappointment as cut flowers. It isn't just the short vase life, a lot of them have weak stems too that can't hold the large blooms upright for flower arranging. I'm moving away from them because of these faults. There are a few exceptions. Of the David Austin roses that I've grown FAIR BIANCA (white) and EVELYN (apricot pink) did the best as cut flowers, but good luck finding them in commerce. The hybrid tea ROUGE ROYALE (red) looks like an Austin rose but does extremely well as a cut flower. I can get blooms that last a week in a vase. GOLDEN CELEBRATION (yellow) is great if you live in an area not plagued by black spot. To condition the vase water add a pinch of sugar and one or two drops of bleach. Don't forget to recut the stems under water in the sink and then immediately plunk the roses into the vase. If air gets into the stem then it will form a bubble, travel up the stem, and collapse the bloom. Not a big deal if you only want one or two days of vase life, but I grow roses as much for cut flowers as garden specimens....See MoreTHIS is why I order Austin roses from David Austin Roses.
Comments (32)Rebecca- your roses are gorgeous but so much work. I live in Massachusetts. It is so difficult to even dig a hole 10 inches deep with all the rock, boulders and ledge so I try to buy only own root roses. I have gotten some wonderful own root roses from DA and have some more scheduled for delivery next week. I hope they add more own root to their collections. I recently ordered 'Queen of Sweden' and 'Windermere' which is by far my healthiest DA rose and covers herself with delicate soft blush pink blooms from early summer till fall. She is cane hardy in my Z5b-6a garden. The only negative is lack of the "to die for" strong perfume scent that Austins are so known for. sharon...See Morewhich class of roses is the most fragrant?
Comments (9)We fall short in describing scents except to say something smells like something else more familiar. So I try to think of scents in another way. The "classic Damask scent" is something most people perceive as being the strongest type of scent among roses -- if we were to characterize scents as 3D things, I'd call it "fat and round". Other scents, like what's typically called "musk" but is really more Multiflora than Moschata (to me), I perceive as thin, wispy, and dispersing like smoke -- they'll never really hit you hard, but they'll vary in how far away from the rose you can be and still smell it. To me, the ranges of "Tea" scents are similar to "musk" up close, but they don't really travel far. I perceive them like thin stretches of silk -- something whose presence you can feel, but by which you are not overwhelmed. The other scents, like fruit or "myrrh" or clove (which is what I get from the "true musk rose" but not from roses claimed to have a "musk scent"), I perceive more like pin-pricks or marbles -- they don't waft much, but they also don't hit you hard, instead being more like points in the air that hit you lightly and repeatedly. Going back to the "classic Damask scent", I think it really exists primarily among the old Damasks themselves. Last year, I noticed a bloom on 'Autumn Damask' which had lost its petals but still had its stamens. I snipped it while dead-heading, and noticed the scent of cloves. The original Damasks had Rosa moschata as a grandmother, and this rose carries its clove scent primarily in its stamens. This apparently carried through to the Damasks. So I concluded that the "spice" or "sharp" element of the "classic Damask scent" found on actual Damasks comes from their clove-scented stamens. This trait was lost as Damasks gave rise to other types, like Bourbons and Hybrid Perpetuals -- except for a few of the Bourbon-Noisettes like 'Mlle Blanche Lafitte', and whichever parent of 'Souvenir de la Malmaison' had Noisette ancestry. I say this because its semi-double sport 'Souvenir de St. Anne's' has clove-scented stamens. I have the parents of the original Damasks -- Gallicas, R. moschata, and R. fedtschenkoana. The Gallicas to me smell like herbal-floral. R. moschata gives me just clove. R. fedtschenkoana smells like oil-based paint, or heavy stage make-up. In my mind, the Gallicas contributed their herbal-floral element to R. moschata's clove-spice, and R. fedtschenkoana's scent acts like a sort of mortar binding it all together but fading behind them. Albas I've smelled have a powdery element that reminds me of multiflora but less "wispy". Depending on the type of Alba, this would be blended with degrees of "classic Damask scent". Albas like 'Maxima' and 'Semi-Plena' are more significantly R. canina, while others like 'Queen of Denmark' and 'Felicite Parmentier' will lean a touch more to Damask and Gallica, respectively. Centifolias are interesting. I'm thinking that they originated from Albas pollinating Damasks, with additional self-seeding and/or random infusions from Gallicas again. Short version of "why" is that R. canina has unbalanced meiosis -- its pollen has one set of chromosomes, but its ovules have four. So seedlings of R. canina or Albas will be more like their mother than their father. If R. canina pollen landed on a tetraploid rose, the result would be triploid, with only 1/3 being R. canina. A few original Centifolias I've investigated were found to be triploid, hinting further at that. So I think they're like the Albas with Damask ancestry, but leaning more to the Damasks than, say, 'Queen of Denmark', which I'd say is 4/6 Canina and 2/6 Damask. Most Centifolias have few or no stamens. So what does that do to their scent? To my nose, they are like Damasks without the spice and with a little face powder. Bourbons are often claimed to be "Damask-scented" but to my nose, it's a modification of it. They lack the clove-scented stamens, and have an additional element from Chinas -- a "sweet" or "candy" element. From what I've observed among my collection of Chinas, the pinks tend to lean more toward "bubble-gum" while the reds smell more (to me) like cherry nibs candy. In my mind, I can see how "classic Damask", minus clove, and plus "sweet/candy" equals "Bourbon", and whether the Bourbons are red or pink will tend to indicate which type of "candy" they inherited -- to me, red Bourbons tend to smell more fruity. Hybrid Perpetuals will tend to range quite a bit, but many I've smelled are much like Bourbons. Some of the older ones have more of a Damask element -- think of the Trianon Perpetuals like 'Yolande d'Aragon' and 'Sydonie' -- because they probably had more recent Damask Perpetual ancestry. The later HPs were more like something between Bourbons and early HTs. And speaking of HTs, I tried a bunch of the "Damask-scented dark red or crimson HTs" like 'Oklahoma', 'Crimson Glory', et al. They reminded me of Bourbons in scent, but with more fruit. I wonder if this is an echo of 'Soleil d'Or' and the Pernetianas. I have 'Gruss an Coburg', and to my nose, it smells like apple pie with brown sugar and cinnamon. Most HTs today will have some Pernetiana blood, regardless of their bloom color. David Austin used a bit of a motley of roses among his core, so they will range depending on which you smell. I do like that in his search for fragrance, he introduced roses with scents that weren't very common among other roses being introduced at the same time. Anyway, those are my random thoughts on fragrance. :-) ~Christopher...See MoreWhich David Austin rose would look best?
Comments (37)Get a rose you're in love with.... if you're having a whole hedge of it, then you've got to love it.. ...my choice here would be without question..... 'Scarborough Fair'.. in that colour range.... I'm near the sea and it withstands the elements.... it blooms constantly, in poor soil, drought conditions and heat - such as we get it here on occasions... 3.5 tall by 4 foot wide... no issues... it should be better known really.... not double, but semi double... musk scented with hips in winter.. I think it's good for zone 5... I took this photo in blazing 100 deg .. which I don't get too much.. ...this is a late evening pic... just before dark... ...you will get that I totally love this rose... of course no one else has to like it.. but... ...hope you find something you like just as much.......See MorenanadollZ7 SWIdaho
7 years agonippstress - zone 5 Nebraska
7 years agoLynn-in-TX-Z8b- Austin Area/Hill Country
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agolavenderlacezone8
7 years agobarbarag_happy
7 years agolavenderlacezone8
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoKnoxRose z7
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agofragrancenutter
7 years agonoseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
7 years agolavenderlacezone8
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoSarah z8
7 years agonanadollZ7 SWIdaho
7 years agolavenderlacezone8
7 years agoHalloBlondie-zone5a
7 years agostrawchicago z5
last yearlast modified: last yearAlfie
last yearforever_a_newbie_VA8
last yearlast modified: last yearAlfie
last yearAlfie
last yearforever_a_newbie_VA8
last yearnoseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
last yearlast modified: last yearDiane Brakefield
last yearnoseometer...(7A, SZ10, Albuquerque)
last yearlast modified: last yearAlfie
last yearAlfie
last yearoursteelers 8B PNW
last yearAlfie
last yearlibrarian_gardner_8b_pnw
last yearlast modified: last yearoursteelers 8B PNW
last yearlibrarian_gardner_8b_pnw
last yearlibrarian_gardner_8b_pnw
last yearlibrarian_gardner_8b_pnw
last yearrosecanadian
last yearAlfie
last yearMagnus - England
last yearRose Paris
9 months agolast modified: 9 months agoflowersaremusic z5 Eastern WA
9 months agoAlfie
9 months agolast modified: 9 months ago
Related Stories
GARDENING GUIDES6 Captivating Roses for an Alluringly Fragrant Garden
Perfume your garden with aromas from richly spicy to lightly sweet, without sacrificing an inch of color
Full StoryGARDENING GUIDESYou’re Going to Want to Stop and Smell These Roses
See top picks from David Austin’s most fragrant roses in colors ranging from ivory to crimson
Full StoryGARDENING GUIDESGorgeous New English Roses From David Austin
The rose breeder’s irresistible 2017 and 2016 varieties have graceful flower forms and unusual fragrances
Full StoryGARDENING GUIDES8 Plants for a Deliciously Fragrant Fall Garden
Scent the autumn air with the perfume of caramel corn, honey and spices by adding these intoxicating plants to your landscape
Full StoryGARDENING GUIDESWhat Kind of Roses Should You Grow?
Want to add the beauty of roses to your garden? Find out which ones, from old-fashioned to modern, are right for you
Full StoryFLOWERS AND PLANTSThis Fragrant, Flowering Ground Cover Thrives Under Shady Oaks
Island gooseberry, or Ribes viburnifolium, is a California native that’s at home in low-water gardens
Full StoryGARDENING GUIDESGreat Design Plant: Fragrant Trachelospermum Jasminoides
This graceful vine’s scented white flowers attract admirers near and far
Full StoryARCHITECTUREWhat’s Fueling Austin’s Edgy Modern Architecture?
A look at the blossoming design scene in Texas’ capital city — and what’s behind all the experimentation
Full StoryGARDENING GUIDES5 Sweet to Spirited Pink Roses for an Enchanting Garden
Whether you go demure or daring, there's a pink rose here to make you flush with garden pride
Full StoryKIDS’ SPACESPhotos of 2013: The Most Popular Kids’ Spaces
Built-in bunk beds, cool colors and other smart design elements offer ideas for kids’ bedrooms, nurseries and playrooms everywhere
Full Story
nanadollZ7 SWIdaho