Nutrition and low carbs...controversy, I know...
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Comments (44)Here's an apparently obscure comparison, but only insubject matter. the gnostic gospels of the first century and most the gardening books i see for sale today. and perhaps i was unclear earlier. my objection is to the implication that you somehow have a secret that has been acquired. the invocation of (whoever) is just a sales tool. and it's been used for at least two thousand years. Soils are by far the most complex component of growing plants. they are by far the least understood. too often we seem to focus on a dichotomous approach, that is to say, only organic or only modern synthetic agronomic inputs, when the truth is both have value, and depending on the specific problem you have, a combo approach may be best. think we could.feed ourselves without modern fertilizers? think you can't screw up your soil by only using organic methods?...See MorePlant Nutrition
Comments (14)Trillium, Compost is very much a product of time, and of course input. It is very hard to get the numbers mentioned "7.2N6.2P6K kg ha-1" referred to as "Starter Solution Technology" in compost. These numbers are for seed crops or short term crops so don't worry to much about the numbers. Just use compost from the most diverse input such as a yardwaste compost facility, varied input will lead to a better chance that you have the micronutrients mentioned. AND most soils have the micronutrients. Now to low quality compost, something from a simple input such as composted horse manure will be good but probably not have the numbers to qualify as SST which is a combination of inputs to get to the numbers that have been determined to work best with a specific such as tomatoes or corn, etc. AND they have to make it work right now this season and don't enjoy the time we have with a perennial garden. Look at a field or forest, who fertilizes them, God will take care of it if we add organic matter. Denny, "What is the best compost?" Truly you give me more credit that I deserve. Now to the question, whatever is cheap and varied as possible. Everything you are doing and have is great except the Osmocote that was developed for pot culture and very expensive for the soil, BTW beer is great as well as soft drinks. "Is there a proven mix for the best compost?" The expense of composting is much greater than someone outside the business could understand and everyone assumes it is all free so the selling price is held down. I made an effort to seek out a varied input but that can't always be controlled. "Are the fomentioned nutrients in compost or must they be added?" They would test the compost then add to reach the numbers, doing this in volume for a short term crop can work but not for something like hosta and it hasn't been studied so one must guess. Add as many things as you can get your hands on, mulch, manure, coffee ground, grass clippings, anything that will decompose and throw it on the surface. Is this more than you wanted to hear?...See MoreContainer Plant Nutrition and Feeding
Comments (40)I've been interested in mycorrhizal associates of plants for decades now. Very generally speaking, most studies I've reviewed where an attempt to "inoculate" soils or media with specific strains of known mycorrhizal species have been disappointing. Notable exceptions were in cases of extremely depleted soils, mine tailings, and other essentially "sterile" media. Now this is not at all intended to cast doubt on the importance of mycorrhyzae. Just the opposite, they are indeed being proven to be everywhere, in every type of plant community, and in virtually every geographic region. What I am saying, is that so far, man-made attempts to duplicate what nature does every day in this regard have been decidedly unspectacular. It seems that two effects are in play: One, if the soil and associated plants have been in association with one another for a good length of time, very likely such mycorrhizal associates are already present. Adding more, in the form of supposedly viable propagules will not effect the balance. The other aspect is, nobody really knows exactly what species is associated with a given landscape plant. True, there is such knowledge in silvicultural studies, usually associated with coniferous species, but to simply extrapolate what is know there to your average garden situation is extremely unlikely to work. Additionally, we do not know what is happening when a soil already colonized by such organisms is having another strain, or an altogether different fungal species, introduced to it. Are we accidentally ruining a good thing? Are we just wasting money and effort? I find such matters of immense interest, and I don't think the book is closed, just that perhaps it needs to be set aside for a while and taken up again later when understanding has increased. This is complicated stuff, especially in a world where very large acreages of land are given over to just two plant species-corn and soybeans-where the parameters of nutrient requirements have been pinned down tightly. In other words, mankind's largest horticultural enterprises are vastly more simple than what is likely happening in that little wood lot that didn't get knocked down for more development near your home. We're rank beginners at this...may as well face it. +oM...See MoreNeed some good nutrition books on carbs.
Comments (12)Just read this short summary & thought of this thread. Basic & aimed primarily @ weight loss, but still helpful, IMPO... The 3 Biggest Mistakes People Make When Going Low-Carb Ditching carbs to lose weight really sucks, but it works, which is why so many people have joined the low-carb craze. If you're cutting carbs to lose a few, just be careful not to make these three mistakes. Going Completely Carb-Free Think of your body as a car and its fuel is carbs. A car won't run without gas, and your body can't function without carbs. Your brain runs on glucose, which comes from carbs, so without it you'll feel tired, foggy-headed, slow-moving, and cranky. Plus, ditching carbs altogether will only make your cravings that much stronger, so when faced with a delivery of office pizza, who could blame you for devouring four slices in a row? Eating mostly protein and going completely carb-free just isn't a diet you can sustain. Certified dietitian Leslie Langevin, MS, RD, CD, of Whole Health Nutrition says you want to make sure you're eating at least 120 to 130 grams of carbs a day - about 30 to 40 percent of your diet.Not Eating the Right Carbs Not all carbs are created equal, so you don't want to slurp down a soda with your Instagram-worthy salad and grab a chocolate chip cookie afterward. Skip the refined and overly processed carbs like white bread, pasta, bagels, and sugary beverages and baked goods, and fuel up on carbs that are also high in fiber - they'll add to the fullness factor. Leslie recommends one-half to one cup of whole grains like quinoa or oatmeal and one to two pieces of fruit each day. That will keep your carbs low enough to lose weight and allow your body to have the energy to function. Plus, they also offer valuable vitamins and minerals your body needs to have a strong immune system.Not Watching Portions Low-carb doesn't automatically mean low-calorie, and just because you're not eating spaghetti, rolls, or rice doesn't mean you're not overeating other foods! Watching your portion sizes is still very important when it comes to weight loss, so be sure to monitor how many calories your meals and snacks add up to." HTH...See Morerhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7
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