Yikes! I mis-read your post, shawnee. I thought you were referring to cannas. I'd still follow the advice, except, you might should pot up the roots if they're still in good shape. They're winter-hardy for me (too winter hardy, actually. they're invasive here), and I never have to dig them up. If this isn't enough help to give you confidence, I can understand that. You might want to start a brand new post with your question (if the roots are still in good shape). There are so many answers on this thread, it will be hard for some to get it to open, and a fresh question might get more attention. Sorry for the goof.

Box #1 (Karen) Hosta 'Paul's Glory' Heuchera 'Melting Fire' Daylily's: 'Siloam Fairy Tale Pink' 'Bama Bound' 'Bela Lugosi' 'Joan Senior' Sedums: 'Neon' 'Tricolor' Dianthus 'Telstar Picotte' Lavender 'True' This noid Iris (see picture above) And this noid Iris (see picture above) Also a Pillsbury Party Cookbook 144 pages A surprise non-plant item or two. Box #2 (Lisa) echinacea green envy *changed from green jewel* obedient plant- miss manners sedum-blue spruce carex- red rooster pulmonaria- roy davidson geum- lady stratheden campanula takesimana-elizabeth lily of the valley-pink helianthus lemon queen ligularia-unknown cultivar knipofia- from bluestone yarrow- Heidi from bluestone heuchera blackout ****added false solomons seal ****added Plus an item that she has posted for us to see. Box #3 (Shirley) Daylily-'Beautiful Edgings' Daylily-'Egyptian Queen' Daylily-'Spacecoast Bold Design' Daylily-'Liquid Sunshine' Daylily-'Rib Tickling' Bearded Iris-'Vibrations' Bearded Iris-'Coral Point' Bearded Iris-'Gotta Lotta Bodda' Siberian Iris-'Lemon Veil' Louisiana Iris-'Black Gamecock' Japanese Iris-'Lion King' Lilium-'Cappuccino' Lilium-'Black Spider' Tiarella-'Pink Brushes' Hosta-'Elvis Lives' Crocosmia-'Babylon' Box #4 (Pat) Daylily 'Lavender Tonic' Geum 'Mrs. Bradshaw' Echinacea 'White Swan' Penstemon 'Red Riding Hood' Balloon Flower 'Sentimental Blue' Hosta 'Julie Morss' (so tagged from the nursery but I haven't seen much variation on this one) Hosta 'Austin Dickinson' Hosta 'Holy Mole' Heuchera 'Cinnabar Silver' (though something could happen that I have to substitute 'Peppermint Spice') 1 year Subscription to your choice of one of the following magazines: "Southern Living" (13 issues), "Country Living" (12 issues), "Midwest Living" (6 issues) or "Better Homes & Gardens" (12 issues). Lamiastrum 'Herman's Pride' Candylily - Pardancanda norrisii 'Kiba Giants' Echinacea 'Summer Sky' Echinacea 'Rocky Top' Variegated Liriope Box #5 (Alana) Daylilies Rosey Returns Exotic Treasure Custard Candy Wild Horses Riviera Rhapsody Bearded Iris Gazoo Unstable Gene Her Kingdom Galactic Warrior Magical Encounter Others Hosta, Blue Mouse Ears Heuchera, "Mocha" My non plant item is a quart sized copper watering pot. (picture above) Box #6 (Carmen) Chlorophaytum, Mandarin Plant-house plant Peruvian Grape Ivy Verigated mosquitoe plant- very pretty Coleus Blackberry Waffle Colocephalus Silver Bush Ajuga Chocolate Chip Heuchera Creme Brulee' Lemon Grass, great for lemony tea Hydrid Hosta "Sunhosta"beautiful large white flowers for in the SUN wooohooo Juncus Twisted Arrows Gag surprise that was gifted to me and I'm passing it on Gardening bottle with fan and space for ice to keep you cool. Daylily "fairy tale pink" Plus a couple surprices Box #7 (Deb) Hardcover (very large book) "Martha Stewart's GARDENING Month by Month" 360 pages. Lots of info! (Book is like new) Humming bird feeder made by First Nature Magazines- Older issues.. 2 Fine Gardening Country Gardening Burpee American Gardening Series/Garden Designs Caladium bulb "Candidum" white with green veins Caladium bulb "F.M Joyner" White with green netting, red veins Allium (Color unknown) 12 bulbs Seeds- Sweet Autumn Clematis Flowering Tobacco "Nicotiana Alata" Pink Asiatic Lily Monarda Wahpe Heliopsis Helianthoides False Sunflower Scarlet Flax Nicotiana Sylvestris "Only the Lonely" Sweet William Veronica Spicata "Blue" Best book of all.. 1,519 All Natural All Amazing Gardening Secrets by Reader's Digest, hardcover 383 pages (book is like new) Book highlites- Less weeding, greener grass, fewer bugs, bigger blooms! Last book (softcover) used- Exotic Flowering Houseplants by William Davidson pgs. 96. Lots of info too, color pics! Cute little plastic windchime- Hearts Box #8 (Tracy) Daylily "Moonlit Masquerade" Echinacea "Sundown" Echinacea "Cygnet White" Echinacea "Double Decker" Lungwort "Roy Davidson" Fern "Bradfords Beauty" Hosta "Gold Edger" Hosta "Veronica Lake" Hosta "Golden Tiara" Hosta "Fortunei Aureomarginata" I will be adding a garden gift or two. I need to pick that still so I suppose that will just have to be a surprise Box #9 (ptilda) Hosta Allen P. McConnell (mini) Hosta Gold Standard Hosta Golden Tiara Hosta Lakeside Little Gem Hosta Lancifolia Hosta Twist of Lime Hosta Undulata Albomarginata Stella D'Oro Daylily Magnetta Spiderwort Dark Red Yarow Hens and Chicks White Lily of the Valley Pink Lily of the Valley NOID Yellow Bearded iris Syringa vulgaris - common lilac Hand-made "garden plaques" (personalized if desired) Will be able to add some items if you can fit me in. Box #10 (Vic) Daylilies Ice Carnival Rocket City One more but I'm not sure what yet, (it's a good excuse to go get another! : ) Blue oat grass Strawberry Ribbon Grass No ID Rose - This is a tall, 5ft rose. I just got some from a friends yard, they are bright pink. I was going to take a pic of the one that was in bloom but I planted it too close to the dog kennel....(live and learn) IF the "winner" of my box would like I have a White flowering Yucca, but, don't feel obligated to take this one! I know some ppl like them, I don't, but they grow wild here : ) An assortment of seeds that I will try to match up to your wants list. a pair of gloves, leather/suede size med patio candle - I think it's Hyacinth scented, can't remember and your choice of one of 3 bird feeders, I'll post pics tonight. One is a hummer feeder, and the other 2 are for seed. Box #11 (Fran) 01. Trumpet Vine (deep red/orangey color)may lose it tops but will put out from the root 02. Seedling Night Blooming Jasmine (it will be about 4.5 to 5 inches tall, it is a seedling) 03. Star Jasmine 1 rooted Piece/Stem? (about 13 inches long) 04. Datura Lilac Lefleur 05. Datura Black Currant Swirl (seedling, not sure how big it will be it is about 2 inches now, they grow fast it will come potted) 06. Syringa vulgaris Common Lilac, French Lilac small plant divison 07. Malva sylvestris Mystic Merlin (young plant) 08. Heuchera 'Pewter Veil' 09. Hosta 'August Moon' 10. Verbena bonariensis 11. Tricyrtis 'Tojen' (Tojen Toad Lily) 12. Echinacea 'Pink Double Delight' young plants 13. Echinacea 'Mac 'N' Cheese' young plants other items to be included be SURPRISED hehe Box #12 (Sassy) Box #1 (Karen) Hosta 'Paul's Glory' Heuchera 'Melting Fire' Daylily's: 'Siloam Fairy Tale Pink' 'Bama Bound' 'Bela Lugosi' 'Joan Senior' Sedums: 'Neon' 'Tricolor' Dianthus 'Telstar Picotte' Lavender 'True' This noid Iris (see picture above) And this noid Iris (see picture above) Also a Pillsbury Party Cookbook 144 pages A surprise non-plant item or two. Yeah Sassy you made it....I just came in from planting a few things. OK DRUM ROLL AND HERE ARE THE NAMES:::::::To be Continued on new thread

Do Black Magic EEs put out vertical runners? My largest one is 2 yrs old and has horizontal runner types that radiate from the base. Most have reached 3-4 ft before they went back into the ground on wet ditch substrate. All but 1 is horizontal...if it is a runner. The runners generally grow in a downhill direction, and are: 1) Subterranean, short, and immediately send out small leaves/pups and don't get roots until the fall. 2) Subterranean and send out small leaves and roots at the same time along the segment joints and the runners keep lengthening. There are more root instances than leaves/pups on each runner. These usu only have 1 place where leaves appear. 3) Subterranean and surfaces and keeps lengthening. Root buds show but never grow into the ground on the visible areas. No leaves or pups. They do this all growing season. Most of them seem like this until they find an ideal spot to send out roots. 4) Begin above ground and are slightly thicker than others. After the first 1 ft these can then share the same habits of #2 or #3 above. 5) On a potted Black Magic EE where there is less water/moisture, the runner began underground, grew up and out of the pot, and put out a pup with roots where it touched the ground. Now as the pup grows, the part of the runner that connects the pup is thinning, getting lighter in color, and seems to be drying out. The below photo shows what appears to be a vertical runner. If that is what it is called. I just noticed it. I do wonder if it is an inflorescence but no flag leaf was sent out before it...but a day later I noticed one appearing in the top center of the plant. This vertical runner has the characteristics of the many horizontal runners I see but has shorter segments, and 3-4x as wide. It is 7/8" wide where it branches off the main plant base between 2 petioles: Shown with cardboard behind it for contrast:This pic also shows the horizontal runners/rhizomes that headed downhill and some I trained to follow the same path by using small stakes and twist ties. They come from the same plant:

nicholsworth55 - I like the rocks. Worn with moss and maybe lichens. Are they from your yard? I pay about $15.50 per 100 lbs (45 kg) of loose rock like that but with no moss or lichens. In the past when available I've paid $15 per rock with lichens on them. In a former home I had too many rocks like that and spent several hours per month stacking them in piles. While I'm off-topic, last week I got some pics of ferns growing out of cracks & seams in rocks. These are mature and young Purple Cliff Brake Ferns along the Shenandoah River and Potomac River confluence in MD: A few Purple Cliff Brake Ferns growing with some type of Bulbet(?) Ferns in the same area. As well as young and spore-bearing mature Bulbet(?) Ferns. I haven't figured out what type of fern that is yet. The Purple Cliff Brake is an evergreen. I'm not sure if the other one is but it probably isn't. Most evergreen ferns in my region have darker, thicker, and waxy-looking leaves: These are Sensitive Ferns along a north-facing wall at my home in June. They are volunteers. I must have about 2 doz babies growing around it this year with all the rain. They are not evergreens: These remind me of the tropical Philodendron Selloum. I have Christmas Ferns as well (evergreens) but rabbits ate most of their leaves this year. They didn't in previous years. Now they are just stem spikes sticking out of the ground.