Cork underlayment questions
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Anyone use cork underlayment under laminate?
Comments (14)Oh dear! Here's what I found at that link: Quiet Comfort Premium Underlayment Recommended under all laminate flooring with no attached underlayment (use Armstrong Moisture Barrier Sheeting under laminate flooring with attached underlayment). Quiet Comfort Premium Hard-Surface Flooring Underlayment Recommended under all laminate flooring with no attached underlayment (use Armstrong Moisture Barrier Sheeting under laminate flooring with attached underlayment). Moisture Barrier Sheeting Recommended under all laminate flooring with attached underlayment when installed over concrete. Sigh!! I'm sad!! :o( So--someone must have told you, you could do that with your flooring, brutuses--did the ones putting it down say it, or did you talk to a rep. or did you read it on another site, etc.? I want to believe I can do it, but only if I can without problems down the road like they described I would have if I put ANYTHING down under other than the poly. moisture barrier, which is a 6 ml visqueen, really, I think! I appreciate the time you're taking with me, brutuses!!!...See MoreAdd cork over rubber underlayment?
Comments (0)I'm loose laying a 3/8" rubber underlayment for eng hardwood. The entire point of the project is to increase IIC. Is there a benefit of laying a 1/8" cort underlayment on the rubber before floating the wood? My thought is the 3/8 rubber will certainly help with IIC and STC but it "feels" like the 1/8" cork would have a significant effect on initial absorption of impact noise and swallowing up higher frequency noise. I wish I had more options for a better assembly but I'm severely restricted by height. Is the cork a good idea?...See MoreCork vs. Felt underlayment for heated engineered hardwood
Comments (1)I'm assuming the cork will be UNDER the heat mats...and then the heat mats will have the hardwood OVER TOP? Cork is rated for in-floor radiant heat....but I always worry about putting electric heat mats DIRECTLY over a product that will CATCH FIRE! Yes. Electric heat mats have a long and glorious history of "shorting out" (although I must admit they are getting much much better) which can cause a spark. Cork doesn't like to burn but it CAN burn and it WILL burn if something is hot enough and allowed to sit long enough (like a sparking electrical wire sitting underneath hardwood). For that reason, I have always said that cork should be encased in concrete if heat mats are being used on top. I always err on the side of caution with fire ratings. The next thing you MUST do is to find out if the FELT material is rated for in-floor electric heat (many are not because they are made up of mixed fibres like PLASTIC = they can melt). And then, finally please check to make sure your engineered hardwoods are rated for ELECTRIC in-floor radiant heat. Many are NOT. Many ONLY ALLOWED the hydronic heating system (water/oil/gel filled tubing). I'm sorry to say but the BIGGEST problem isn't the cork or the hardwood or the felt. It is the ELECTRIC heat-mat system. More than 30% of flooring products on the market do NOT allow use with ELECTRIC heat-mat systems. The heat produced is often TOO HOT and the wires themselves are too delicate for use under many floors (delicate wires break = sparking = fire hazard). Ignore the heat-mat company's advertise. Investigate the OTHER materials used below/above the mats. I think you will be surprised what you find (or don't find...many do not allow this type of install). Personally if it were me, I would work with 1/4" cork and upgrade the wall heaters with lovely little baseboards that are efficient. The cork + new heating baseboards = wonderfully efficient. Save the $10K from the heat-mats and invest a little bit into upgrading the baseboard heaters. Cork will do the rest - both thermal and acoustic insulation all in one product. Skip the electric heat mats....See MoreRubber or Cork underlayment..which is better?
Comments (4)OK...here's what I know about cork vs. rubber. Technically rubber wins in the SOUND department. Cork can REPRODUCE the noise reduction of rubber but you need 30% THICKER cork vs. rubber. Here it is in another way. Let's pretend you want to work with 4mm rubber underlay (100% rubber...nothing added in). The noise abatement is VERY GOOD (should be for the $2-$4/sf cost of the product!!!). To get the SAME noise abatement out of cork you need 6mm of cork to do the same work as 4mm of rubber. Cost of 4mm rubber (the good stuff that has only a LITTLE bit of odour) = $2-$4/sf Cost of 6mm cork underlay sheets = $0.75/sf https://www.icorkfloor.com/store/floor-underlayment-cork-6mm/ In some HOA's the noise abatement requirement is MORE than what 4mm rubber/6mm cork can offer. Which means we have to go up the ladder. Meaning you need to start looking at 8mm rubber or 12mm cork. This is where things get SUPER EXPENSIVE. 8mm rubber = $4-$6/sf 12mm cork = $1.49/sf https://www.icorkfloor.com/store/half-inch-cork-underlayment/ The 'feeling under foot' is the same. The subfloor preparation is what gives you the solid floor feeling. You can put down the best underlayment known to man but if your subfloor looks like a Coney Island roller coaster than you will get a bouncy floor. So ensure you have the subfloor prep incorporated in your budget. If this is concrete that USED to have carpet over it...I would budget $2-$4/sf for work. Then the cost of the underlayment, the cost of the wood and then the labour to do it all. Oh...did I mention the SMELL of rubber? Yah. It has been known to off-gas for YEARS. Anytime the sun hits the floor and heats it up you get wonderful whiff of petroleum. As an asthmatic, I can't have rubber in my home. I would be in the hospital more than I would be in my house. Same goes for migraines. And latex allergies. They all have issues with rubberized underlayment products. It's their BIGGEST down side (other than the enormous price)....See MoreMittens Cat
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