Am adding more roses in the comments, as I've heard it can be difficult to put several photos in a single post. Continuing the garden tour, here is 'Awakening' traveling about and trained up onto an Italian cypress and the shed, which it shares with R. helenae (barely visible to the right). I'm sorry the photos aren't better.

Second mystery rose:

Well, that photo's not much good for identification, so let me add one with more detail:

Still poor. The rose is a large, stiff-caned angular climber, a once bloomer with sparse wicked thorns (you can glimpse them in the photo above); flowers are small, soft translucent pinkish, don't catch any scent. The rose is rather susceptible to cane damage, brought about I think by sunburn; it seems to be doing better now that the shrubs growing around have gotten large enough to shield it from the sun. I don't recall any fungal disease. Leaves are long, pointed, and handsomer than these photos suggest.

Third mystery rose. Growth

....and flowers. Large plant, once-blooming.

I know what this one is: 'Edmond Proust'. Slightly battered from several days of rain, but still lovely. Wichuriana rambler bred by Barbier, a glorious group. Yes, that's my shadow. It was a big job to train this onto the pergola last fall. A better photo would give a better idea of how beautiful this rose is.

Fourth mystery rose: a view of the young canes, smooth, red, with sparse large thorns; stiff, not lax.

Fifth mystery rose: shrubby, arching, and suckering, not suggesting a future massive plant like the others, but still a rambler, I suspect. Medium-small blooms.

Blurred, but you can see the bud shape, the leaves, and the black spot, unusual, especially this time of year.

Sixth and last mystery rose: flowers and leaves.

Note the bristly stems in the photo below. This looks like it will be a big plant, too.

I wish Anne Belovich was on this forum, Melissa. No help with ID but it is great to see photos.

I'm sorry to be no help at all, but just want to say that the first rose is very lovely. Mostly I was interested in the glimpses of the background scenery, and I'm so glad you included that last shot. You rarely mention the landscape, which is so beautiful. What I mostly have an impression of in your posts is that you've put in years of grinding and difficult work to make something of your property, which to begin with had very inhospitable soil that you've managed to slowly improve, all the while putting in hundreds of plants, shrubs and trees, and of course your wonderful roses. The lack of photos during most of that time rather made me forget that you've created so much beauty to nourish your spirit and to make it all worthwhile.

Thank you, Ingrid. I think that' a fair summing-up of the situation. You're right that this is a beautiful area, which I'm very conscious of even if I don't talk about it, and even though people who live here often appear not to value this beauty much. We still have a huge amount of work to do in the garden! I feel that at the moment, being out and seeing how much we have still to do and how far the garden has to go. It's half empty glass syndrome, because DH and I have accomplished a lot. But I do look around now and then between chores, and see a lovely rose or plant combination, or even the clover DH planted flourishing, and it makes me happy.

Your garden is beautiful. That view is spectacular! For rose number five, perhaps Geschwinds Orden?

Melissa, I'll start contemplating IDs once I'm able to focus on something besides the beauty of your photos! Wow oh wow. Carol

Thank you for posting the photos, Melissa. I agree with everyone's comments about your garden project (I call it that because that's how I think of mine, lol,and there are so many similarities) and the view,but of course can't help with IDs, not being enough of an expert.

I'm up in the wee hours with my daughter again, so I thought I'd squeeze in a little forum time while waiting for her to slide back into sound sleep. I'm still pondering possible IDs for all your wonderful mystery roses, Melissa, but #6 looks like it might be some kind of R. wichurana rambler: the blooms, the curved red thorns, the glossy somewhat elongated foliage. It's very pretty! I'm not sure what to think about the bristly canes.... Carol

K S: good suggestion, though the matter is complicated. Your comment reminded me that I was in fact given a rose supposed to be 'Bijou des Prairies' (all this was several years ago, which is why I've lost track of some details). Now, I've read somewhere that BdP is confused in commerce with 'Geschwind's Orden'. Looking up these two varieties on HMF, I find a rose that indeed looks like mine, and I forget which. But the parentage of GO is listed as three-quarters rugosa, and I plain flat refuse to believe that my rose is mostly rugosa (also the parentage is disputed); while BdP is a setigera hybrid, which I find easier to swallow since I have no idea what R. setigera hybrids look like, and this rose has an air of not looking like anything familiar to me. So confusion reigns, but I think your guess is in the ballpark anyway. Actually I have a strong suspicion we're talking about the same rose, only I'm not sure what its correct name is. Neither of the descriptions of the two varieties given on HMF exactly corresponds to my rose.

Carol, I hope your daughter got to sleep soon, and you to bed. Rose no. 6 doesn't look to me like any Wichuriana I'm familiar with: not the 'Dorothy Perkins' types; not the large-flowered kinds, possibly bred from R. luciae, hybridized by Barbier and Van Fleet. Actually this is another one that doesn't look much like anything I know. The bristly canes are strange. I do have another rose with bristly canes: the Multiflora rambler 'Rose-Marie Viaud'. I went back tracing its ancestry, which didn't leave me any wiser, as rose no. 6 doesn't strike me as particularly like a Multiflora hybrid. I'm wondering whether it might not be a quite recent variety with a genetic soup running through its veins.

Bart, how are you doing? Have you been able to get out in your garden recently? Here the rain finally stopped about three days ago, and since then it's been sunny; warm, but all in all rather blissful.

...huge garden with great views.... I mean to die for... and an abundance of roses Melissa...

Melissa, I can see why KS suggested Geschwinds Orden for #5. GO looks a lot like your rose and a lot like Bijou des Prairies (I just brushed up on BdP through my rose library and the internet). I can imagine how GO and BdP got confused in commerce. This train of ID is interesting. You might temporarily label your rose as a possible BdP and post it on the forum with the question: "Is this rose BdP or ?" Someone out there who grows a correctly labeled one might land in your net. Alas, the only setigera hybrid I have ever grown is Einnerung an Brod. I am currently scouring my tiny property for some ridiculous place to grow another. I know someone fairly nearby who has a large one, and I plan to make a case for his sharing a cutting or two with me. :-) I think roses with setigera ancestry can blackspot (yes, my autocorrect actually did just attempt to change "blackspot" to "blacklist") early in my region, too. EaB has always been a mostly healthy chap, but some of the pinks have a rep.`

#6 is quite the mystery. Let's called it "Bristles," shall we? I've not seen anything quite like it, and its could indeed be some kind of recently developed product of a delicious genetic soup. Do you remember the origin of this rose? It's a truly striking single! Carol

Melissa, your place is magnificent. OMG, I am so happy you took pics. They are so breathtaking and I see why you love it there. No wonder it is never ending chore and I see why.
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I'm terrible at this but the first one looks like Tausendschoen to me. too.

I also think #1 looks like Tausendschon. (Where's an umlaut when I need one?) Carol

Graceful roses and beautiful scenery. These are lovely photos, the green hills look so inviting...

I can’t help with IDs, but wanted to say thank you SO much for posting! I’ve really loved reading about your garden, and admired all the hard work you’ve put into it. It’s wonderful to see images to go with the inspiring posts! :-)

Carol, when you can't find an umlaut to save your life you can just as correctly add an e, as in Tausendschoen. Problem solved. I wish they were all that easy.

Kes Z and Carol, how firm are you on the 'Tausendschoen' identification: do you know this variety from having seen it in person? I've never seen 'Tausendschoen' (unless this is it) and know how chancy IDs from pictures and written descriptions can be. This rose has a very clean look to it, by the way, both flowers and foliage; one of its notable characteristics.

Thanks to all for the kind comments. I'd love more suggestions as to identities.

I would not take my word for it at all. As I mentioned, I'm bad at this game. If you posted pictures of my very own roses blooming in my own yard, I might not recognize them and I've never grown this one myself.. The other thing is, it's so hard to tell from a photo. On HMF, many of the photos of a particular rose do not look like the same rose. Some probably aren't the same rose but many are. Roses are so variable with weather changes, soil, water, etc.

Perhaps it might help jog someone's memory/knowledge store if we could see some more close ups, as clear as you can get them, of each NOID rose including a complete set of leaflets with its stipules - ideally flat on a sheet of white paper, more cane/prickles shots labelled as to how old or young they are, buds to blooms at different stages showing sepals, receptacles, and any bristly or bumpy gland things (excuse the technical jargon), full plant shots that show the growth habit, and a little ruler maybe to give an idea of bloom and foliage size.

That sounds like a lot of work for all those roses! But I think it might help, if you're able. Maybe even take it one rose at a time, with a separate post for each? That sometimes seems to get more response than a lot of different ones to ID at one time.

Melissa, I wish I could say I'm 100% certain, but I'm not. Ditto all that Kes said about changeability photos on HMF, etc. I don't currently grow Tausendschoen (with and e, thanks to Ingrid), so I can't pop out and take photos for comparison, darn it. I wish I'd taken more photos back in the day when I grew more roses. A ton of them came from Vintage, so I feel pretty confident the IDs were spot on. I like Comtesse's suggestion, if you're up for it. Single posts do seem to draw more responses. I KNOW there are experienced rosarians on the forum growing Tausendschoen. There's an old thread on the forum (maybe 4 years ago?) where everyone was talking about and, I think, IDing a Tausendschoen. My memory is a bit hazy, but maybe the post can be tracked down for photos and comments from people much more skilled than I. In the meantime, I find "Bristly"positively intriguing! Carol

Comtesse, you're right, of course, but I have a feeling it's not going to happen, this year at least. It was enough of a job just to get out and take the pictures I did. More of a hassle to gather the samples, label them, trudge uphill in the heat back to the house, photograph, transfer photos, and post my question. Perhaps next year, when it's not June and I still haven't gotten my Sansevierias out of the house and repotted for the summer, nor done a thousand other chores.

Any rose experts up for a visit?

Carol, thanks for the suggestions. All this may be a prelude to my interesting myself more seriously in the identifications of my various mystery ramblers, but it all takes time.

I hear you, Melissa! I don't know how you cover all the bases that you do. Carol