Choosing frameless cabinets Cabico vs Showplace
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Comments (15)This forum is great - I was in Home Expo yesterday and raved to a husband and wife (doing research for new construction in another state) about the knowledge of the participants and the expertise and information available. I'm not as nervous about the frameless option now. I've been looking at the KitchenCraft, Kraftmaid Venica, Hanssam, and Apple Valley Woodworks. I am also looking at the Kraftmaid (framed) with the slab door. I want to get the most bang for my buck, and at the same time want this kitchen to last until at least the kids are out of college (18 years - yikes). circuspeanut - I have been perplexed by the plywood box issue and think I understand the scribing issue. This is another topic I am going to discuss with my contractor. cheri127 - I will make note of what your installer did and ask my contractor about his plan. It is good to know a solution just in case the issue presents itself. caryscott - Thanks for the photos, it helps to see the cabinets with the filler. I spoke with the KitchenCraft people yesterday and they were very helpful. shannonplus2 - It seems that my ceilings are one height in the original part of the house and another in the addition added by the PO in the 1980's... I haven't measured where we will be relocating the kitchen, but I'm curious to see if the ceiling is uniform in that space.... We are on day 2 of the renovation and the contractor has already encountered unforseen "issues" having nothing to do with the kitchen..... If this keeps up, I will be constructing kitchen cabinets from cardboard boxes and using a hot-plate as my new stove....See MoreFramed vs Frameless cabinets
Comments (40)I am a cabinetmaker, I know how the sausage is made. I know very many cabinetmakers and I know very many installers. My practical knowledge is not a generalization, it is not a personal viewpoint, far from it. It is fact. Are you a cabinetmaker? Ok akchicago, lets begin the lesson. Frameless as you call them are euro boxes, thats because they originated in Germany post ww2. Europe had no kitchens, so they needed cabinets quickly. They sat down and came up with what is essentially a modular system based on a 32 mm increment. This was the initial distance between two boring spindles on the first euro woodworking machine. Incidentally, many Europeans take their kitchen cabinets with them when they move. Because of this ( and other reasons to be explained ) there needs to be a common installation system that is simple to use. I am not bashing American face frame cabinets, they are just differently made and need different machines and due to the joinery and material choice have much looser tolerances. Look at Poggenpohl website, they have a video of the manufacturing process. Now this is the utimate in euro but you get the idea, the machinery is top notch. Its not a powermatic table saw, a planer and a jointer. Anyhow....32mm ( the true name of frameless ) is a system. The base cabinets should have adjustable legs, such as the ones made by Camar. There should be no integral toe. This was cables can pass underneath and water damage will not wick upwards into your cabinet. There should be no blocking of the slides or hinges, they should be flush with the cabinet sides and work "in system" ie increments of 32mm. Reveals are commonly set to 3/32" and should be perfectly lined up horizontally and vertically everywhere. In terms of the biggest installation mistake, look at the uppers. They should have "suspension blocks" in the top left and right corners. These are small adjustable hardware that have a hook on the back that fit onto a metal rail that is attached to the wall behind. The reason for these suspension blocks is this,...if you were to say mount the cabinets directly to the wall with screws, the cabinets will conform to the irregular contours of the wall. These forces cause racking of the box, the box has no face frame to keep the opening square, now all the front edges of the cabinets are out of plane, that means your doors will not be set square or co-planar ie your reveals will never be constant. I am not trying to dissuade you from frameless. I love frameless. What I am trying to impress on you is that its very important to choose the right cabinet company. Here's the thing, I am coming from a very high level and to be honest most people dont see the things that I do. Why dont you tell them that you want the faces to be perfectly flush and the reveals equal, level and plumb. Stress this point and tell them you will go around and check each door when its done....See MoreUse of space: roll-outs vs. drawers, face frames vs. frameless
Comments (5)Alittleapple: This is a 15" cabinet. Angie DIY: A "kiloword." I'm still chuckling. jerzeegirl: Yes, it's InnerMost. We went with the furniture board. We're thinking about more InnerMost cabinets for our bedroom and would do the same. tea4all: Short on storage is the name of the game in our kitchen and why we wanted frameless. debrak_2008: Here's a few. I think if you click on one it will pop up a window for the entire album; I think.: Before (This is one of those true to life photos.): After:...See Morecabico vs. omega dynasty
Comments (1)We looked at both companies but did not go with Omega simply because they did not offer frameless. The Cabico cabinets are sitting in my house right now but most of them are still boxed up. I have unpacked a few of them because I was dying to see them!! The ones I have looked at are beautiful and I am very happy with the finish. They are being installed this week so I can add more then, but as it stands I am pleased with the quality....See Moreswellremodel
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