Frameless vs Framed Cabinets:Uneven Walls
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Comments (8)Do it once and all at once - installing and then removing/reinstalling a custom frameless glass shower enclosure is a recipe for disaster, and I'd be willing to bet the cost of the removal/reinstalling would probably pay for the labor of the tile job. In the end you won't be saving any money. If you're desperate for something temporary to use the shower while you save up the money for a proper shower tile / enclosure job, get a shower curtain up there. You can get all manner of shaped shower curtain rods that will turn the corner etc. and an inexpensive curtain - not a vinyl thing that you will curse - you can get nice woven nylon fabric curtains for $20. Spending $150 now on a shower curtain setup to allow yourself the time to save the $1000's you'll spend on tile/glass may make sense. Spending $100's later to remove and reinstall the glass enclosure which likely won't fit when it comes to do it, will frustrate your tile installer who has to think about making the new tile job fit the existing enclosure (and likely cost more in labor as a result) etc. doesn't make sense....See MoreCabinets -- framed or frameless? Brand?
Comments (17)Frameless cabs have better accessibility, and in general more space, especially in drawers. I say "in general" because available space differs among cabinet lines. Take your tape measure with you when you look and measure the space in the drawers of different brands you are considering. Keep in mind, there are good quality and bad quality of both framed and frameless. Don't let anyone tell you that fameless are inherently bad (especially someone who doesn't sell frameless). My old kitchen (which I tore out) had frameless cabs, not the highest end either, and they lasted about 25+ years (based on the style & color which is what was in style in the late 70s/early 80s). Probably could have lasted longer, except they were awful style and I hated the layout. Whichever one you go with, make sure your installer is experienced. If the installer grumbles about frameless being hard to install, get someone else. No one has perfectly straight walls, yet frameless cabs are installed properly every day. Styles of frameless cabinets are not exclusively (or even mostly) contemporary. Contemporary cabs are usually frameless, but the opposite is not true. I have traditional style doors in frameless, and it doesn't look a bit contemporary. In either framed or frameless, beware the center stile. I've seen it in both kinds, and it severely limits access. There is a width limit over which a center stile is needed, something like 33 or 36 inches, but smaller than that, it is not needed and IMHO unacceptable. Do get lots of quotes for comparison purposes. I shopped around with a particular version of my layout so that I could compare prices. My layout changed over time but using the same layout at different places gave me a good feel for their pricing. Don't rule out local custom builders. I thought they would be out of my price range but they came in at all price ranges, just as the stock companies did. I compiled a list of framed & frameless manufacturers back when I was looking, so that I could see which ones were available in my area. This list is now over four years old so it probably could use some updating but you can check the websites for information on manufacturers. Good luck in your search! Here is a link that might be useful: framed & frameless mfgs...See MoreInset (framed) upper w/frameless lower - my particular case
Comments (5)Just my two cents: You have a good sized kitchen and it looks like you have plenty of cabinet space. I don't think that the few inches you will gain by having frameless lowers wouldn't be worth the effort of the aesthetic trade off if mixing the two styles of cabinets. I know that there are many beautiful GW kitchen with frameless lowers and framed or inset uppers. But in your case I would do all inset if that is the look you like. You will find your 30" wide drawers flanking your range very useful for pot and pan storage, inset or not inset. You might consider at least one more bank of drawers in base cabinets on the fridge wall as well. Some unsolicited advise: If I had your floor plan, I would consider putting the range in the middle of the current "fridge" wall and put the fridge and microwave where the range is. (I only suggest that because I'm a messy cook and I like to have continuous counters between my sink and stove. Perhaps there is a venting reason for the range to be on the wall where you've put in in your plan.)...See MoreFrameless vs. Framed
Comments (33)The cabinetry game changes quickly I was just looking at the 2008 "Who's Who in Cabinetry" and the former Cuisine Cabico which was part of the RNCC appears to be independant again as Groupe Cabico and it is actually a 100% custom line. We gave Ikea a passing glance but we found it wasn't a stock line we could make work for our layout. I'm also going to go out on a limb and say something that isn't going to be very popular but I wasn't that impressed with the quality of the basic construction of the boxes. As we couldn't make their stock sizes work and we didn't really like the door styles they offered I didn't invest a lot of time researching them but I'm pretty sure they don't have solid backs, I'm not sure what grade the particleboard is either and they are joined primarily by dowels and camlocks. If you walk through an Ikea you see a lot of white melamine peaking out behind sagging and misaligned doors. Someone here used self-adhesive edgebanding on hers which I thought was quite ingenious. I like the look but I'm not sure about the rest....See MoreCircus Peanut
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