waterborne polyurethane made by General Coatings

5 years ago

Has anyone used this or heard of this? Local hardware store recommended it for our southern yellow pine glulams (exposes beams) which is sanded but will not be stained.

I’ve searched various permutations of “General Coatings” and came up with nothing! A bit wary about using a product with no press or reviews!

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5 years ago

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General Coatings isn't General Finishes. Not even close.

The beam should be shellacked first to prevent tannin bleeding. That is sufficient by itself as a protective coating. But it should have been done prior to installation. Now it will w much more difficult, risky to other finishes below, expensive, and smelly.

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BT
5 years ago
Use Paint.
Germain Wong
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5 years ago
Completely useless response. Lol.
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BT
5 years ago
yellow pine glulams - may not take a stain well, fine you want to preserve unfinish construction look. Water based polyurethane, unlike oil, will have no color to it - I do not care what vendor it is. Now your beams are @10' ? 12' height and you are asking about applying completely clear floor generic finish on something no one will be walking on. In addition who knows what "yellow pine" wood really is. If you want it, buy a sample and see if you really like when you apply that completely clear finish. May be you are seeking information if that coating will be durable on the top of the beam? Let us know how you really enjoying this clear coating vs other totally clear coating. LOL
Germain Wong
Original Author
5 years ago
I was originally going to stain it, but decided not to for two reasons: 1) while the beams were orangey before sanding, after sanding it turned a lot whiter and I actually like the natural look; 2) I now these glulams (pine) will likely not take stain very well, my painter did some samples and they looked like crap.

These beams are 35’ long and 27” deep, they sit 28’ off the ground (and yeah, after the scaffold comes down, there’s no way to get back up there to “fix” things). I’m not even sure how we will change light bulbs up there!!!

I’m reading up on General Finishes “High Performance” water based polyurethane now... that seems to fit the bill, gonna buy a quart size tomorrow and do a sample. At this this company (General Finishes) has a website. LOL.
dan1888
5 years ago
General Finish products are high quality and easy to apply for a very good finish. If a clear satin non yellowing finish is what you want this product will work. You can put on several coats with sanding in between.
Susie .
5 years ago
I like the smell of shellac! I don’t think you need a poly on a beam — I don’t like the plastic look it gives wood, myself. Never heard of general coatings.
ci_lantro
5 years ago
National Paint Industries of North Brunswick, New Jersy has acquired General Coatings Technologies located Brooklyn, New York. General Coatings is a manufacturer of paints and coatings serving the architectural and commercial maintenance market. General Coatings was established in 1946 and has built a reputation for premium quality coatings under the Pentagon, Eaglo, F.O Pierce, and Dutch Master brand names.

“We are thrilled to now have General Coatings as part of our company. It will add complimentary products along with an outstanding long established customer base to our existing portfolio. Together with our specialty products such as clear wood finishes, marine, pool, silicone, urethane and epoxy paints, our dealers will now have available a product line unmatched in the industry. We are also excited to carry on the General ¬¬¬¬Coatings - Pentagon name, which dates back to 1946 as a coatings manufacturer”, said Mike & Don Schnurr of National Paint Industries.
dan1888
5 years ago
Go with General Finishes.
Germain Wong
Original Author
5 years ago
I know General Coatings isn't General Finishers -- while I could find a ton of literature and reviews on the latter, not much on the former other than the fact that it was acquired recently!

The store that carries General finishers is an hour away from me, gonna go pick it up now...

Thanks guys, always trust Houzzer peeps to weigh in with good advice! I don't know what I'd do without this site. LOL.
Germain Wong
Original Author
5 years ago
last modified: 5 years ago
This piece of Glulam sample was very dirty, we sanded it with an orbital (80, then 120). It looked pretty clean before we put the polyurethane on but regardless of brand, the polyurethane seems to accentuate any dark spots.

Of the three, I think I like the General Finishers Flat the best (right hand side).

A bit disappointed that a water-based product still darkens the raw wood so much! (This is 2 coats).
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