Renovating a 1890s Queen Ann style New Orleans home
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Identify the architectural style of my house please.
Comments (15)Maybe I am misunderstanding which part of the roof you're referring to as offset, so forgive me if this is an off-the-mark too simplistic explanation! I don't think the roof is offset - I think the area to the left side (when facing the front, as shown in your first picture) is the side of a two-story dormer which was added on later, with its right side flush with the front of the house. Since the house is now sheathed in "new" siding, you don't see where the addition starts. The roof is centered over what would be the original section (or at least the section which existed prior to the dormer addition, whether it's actually completely original, or not.) That also explains why there is so much more room to the left side of the front windows than to the right side of the front windows. Noting that the roof overhangs the right side somewhat, and imagining how it would overhang the left side in the same way, if there were no dormer, you can see that without the dormer, the side of the house would be considerably more than a foot in from where it is now... it would be shifted by the depth of the dormer (revealed in another photo.) It all matches up. I grew up in a Victorian-era house in Maine (of a type commonly referred to in New Hampshire as a "New Englander," although I had never heard that term until I moved to NH, so I don't think it is used much outside of New Hampshire. It is a term used broadly to describe many Victorian-era houses with the front door in the gable end.) It had a similar two-story dormer addition. Do you see any evidence of an addition, when you look in the attic? If you follow the roofline back to the back of the house, and look at the rear facade, it is centered over the rear, isn't it? And that side of the house is all in one plane, save for the dormer, correct? I think the appearance of the roof not sitting properly is also heightened by the fact that the photo is a little bit crooked, and the roof has a substantial overhang. EDIT: Yikes, I only looked at the date of the last post, not the date of the original posts... this OP may be long gone. This post was edited by lizzie_nh on Fri, Sep 6, 13 at 8:40...See MoreHelp! Style and renovation loan questions!
Comments (20)The land is only assessed at $275,000 (I'm on another computer but it was close to that number) with the improvements (buildings) adding up to a total assessed value of around $1.1MM. They were asking 1.7MM so coming down to just under $1 was probably a stretch to them, but when the company was sold in 200? (I think it was 2007?) they only valued the property at $600,000 and some change when they made that sale (it was a corporate sale to a bigger entity). I think honestly...they have been smoking too much enbalming fluid....but given their recent drop, and their crazy previous asking price, I'm guessing they won't sell for $100,000 which is about all you'd want to pay with the work you say is necessary. FYI, I was actually just curious about the condition of the property, hence looking it up. I love an old house like no body's business :) I was hoping the damage you were discussing was overblown and maybe it wouldn't need the amount of work you mentioned...but given they show NO interior photo's...I'm guessing they know how bad it is. The other comps in the 8 surrounding blocks were all sales including a home and land at half a mill or less, a couple above that but just barely. Given most of them are on lots half the size, I'd guess they're in the 100,000 range but you could enter an address on your local tax records search engine and get that for sure. It is not taxed as two parcels so if you were to sell one, you'd have to have that approved (my land is similar) and in some places that's easy...some nearly impossible. Even if there are some multi-million mansions within the historic area (are there?) you still have to compare them with the other homes when doing a comp. If the local mansions are 6000 plus sq ft (seemed like big old homes are more on larger property? but I don't know for sure) than you'd have to have this place end up near that size or larger for a comp. THat's a big challenge...I'm guessing the old house used to be more like 3,000 to 5,000? The old house that was there was charming! And it saddens me to see that it's been destroyed, but sometimes you just have to sadly walk away and put your hard work and money into something that is more reasonable to save. :*( Makes you want to just shoot the people who destroyed it doesn't it? FYI, my house was a hospital...they can come back :) But in the end we will likely spend 1 to 2x our purchase price to get it there :( and it won't be appraised anywhere near what has to go into it. Such is life in the major old house remodel sadly! I was just lucky they didn't add flat roofed cement buildings to the back! (But we did find embalming fluid bottles as well as poison's in the cistern)...See MoreWhat style would you call this house?
Comments (12)"It's a vernacular house (which does not at all imply allusions to high style) with a couple of Queen Anne elements thrown in (pedimented front gable, shingled gable ends). Many homes of various styles had rusticated foundations and asymetrical porches. The rounded arch window surround is so heavy as to be almost Romanesque, though that doesn't make it a Romaneque home either." Very true, which is why I called it a Generic Queen Anne in my original post. When you get right down to it, there are very few stylistically pure homes in this country that don't borrow from a number of architectural disciplins. That's my biggest problem with the term vernacular -- if you get right down to it virtually every thing is vernacular. The Queen Anne style in and of itself is a vernacular style in that it incorporates widely disparate elements such as that Romanesque Arch. The two styles were all the rage at roughly the same period of time in the United States (not to mention Beaux Artes, Second Empire, and others) and architects (even Richardson) transposed elements from one to the other, especially when the client was a private individual who might have some very definitive ideas on what he/she wanted in a home....See MoreCan anyone identify this house style?
Comments (15)Mustang, Well, that's an extremely eclectic-style house, but I'm not sure I see much Greek Revival detail. Greek Revival frieze boards are most commonly wider along the vertical plane of the house than yours appear to be and the porch columns are definitely 20 c. styling. However, I think Casey has spotted the essential core which is a farm house in the very-popular-in-the-period vernacular Italianate style. If you look at the relatively narrow "main box" and the roof pitch and deep return on those eaves you can see some clues that typify that style here, at least here in upstate NY. It's the right style for that age of building, too. It looks to me like there may be additonal detail buried under some of the later additions and siding. You certainly will have your work cut out for you surveying the complexity of that structure and deciding what to keep and what might be better removed to reveal the underlying "bones". I hope you will be able to take some time to devote to just cleaning it and studying the building before you embark on a big renovation project. New house owners are always keen, often to the point of desperation, to rush right in. But I can tell you from my own experience over many years, that the ideas you come up with after you've lived there for several months, better yet a year, will be so much better than anything that occurs to you now. What you're thinking about now, has little to do with this house; let it tell you what it needs. The very first thing to do (other than clean, clean, clean ...) is make an accurate measured drawing of the house as it was when you bought it. And in your case with amazing complexity of that structure, this should keep you busy all winter! That first drawing will stand you in good stead down the road as you embark on renovating. I'm attaching my standard virtual "house warming present": a link to a series of very useful Technical Bulletins on old house renovation, care and inspection. These are published by the National Parks Service and I've found the information accurate and thorough, and more than once I've embarked on a new project with only these as a guide. Please come back tell us what you discover in your house, and feel free to ask further questions. Molly~ Here is a link that might be useful: Preservation Bulletin series: Every thing an new old house owners needs to know about!...See Morequeenvictorian
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