Marnie, I didn't see the charts earlier either, but now they are accessible by going through the archives. To anyone unfamiliar with Trudi's website - click on www.wintersown.org then click on the hyperlink WinterSown at WebArchive.org In right column, click on Seed Lists and DataBase The germination charts by zone will come up - these list plants and indicate Y or N as to whether or not germination by wintersowing was successful. To anyone reading this, don't forget to email Trudi your successes and failures with wintersowing later on this year. Karen

F4F: The dip essentially looks like the same thing - only a little runnier. 10:1 ratio was the dip. The other is a 20:1. I think the dip is an already runnier formulation for cuttings. Seems to work well. Although I had to move stuff to pots recently - and DON'T use it on the roots - like they say you can - if you're going to water root. Makes a mess (grin) I bought a gallon of both. I'll tell you what though - got that stuff on my hands - it GLUED the dirt under my fingernails. Scrubbed at the edges to get it out when it softened. Not a biggy, just impressed me. Hot shower - I was still peeling it off the back of my hand - and didn't even realize I still had it ON my hand. That's how flexible it is. Now that was pretty kewel. Went out and did the "rap" test on some leaves over a sheet of paper. Only found one plant that had some mites fall off. The random testing looks like I made a dent. I have to still keep a close watch. new growth that isn't protected could be assaulted. I can use the hand sprayer for that though. I used the hudson for mass application. May hit the new growth again in a couple of days. It's really a nice product to work with in a small confined space.

been here too. Lurking.. (smile)..not a lot to tell. Been working on my landscape.. seems like ages, the wind is brutal today, my neighbors tiles are blowing off his roof. and I just put some plants out. Any suggestions for plants that can handle the wind? Got some great natives from John... (thanks John).. sny sugestions for cutting flowers, or lei plants? Anyone know where I can find the red bleeding heart?

I wish we Ozarkians would post more too! We finally sold the dairy cows so next year should be so much better for gardening and life..... We sold the cows in July and my husband had a heart attack on the 29th of October....he is doing very well, but still is unable to do any serious chores so I am doing them, with his help (driving, opening gates, etc.) That just takes 1 to 2 hours a day. It was a real wake-up call for both of us. We are trying to eat "heart healthy" now and exercise. This made me realize all over again how lucky we who can have gardens and a few chickens in the backyard are. I notice even the heart institute's book refers to "farm fresh" eggs. Funny when the organic movement started back in the 70's with Mr. Rodale (can't remember his first name) people thought he was a quack! So much of the nutrition guidelines now are just that! We have plans to get a few chickens next year. You really can't have them when you dairy, or if you do, they must be penned up. So, my advice for all you good folks is keep on gardening and be sure to add a vegetable garden somewhere if you don't already have one. Even in your flower beds works. My plans for next year are totally remake my veg. garden, remove all fences, stakes, posts, etc. and start over. The first thing I will do is use the Bermuda grass killer that was suggested here. My roundup hasn't done the job. Let's all keep in touch over this long winter. GD