Glyphosate/Roundup in Cheerios?! Who Knew?
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ajuga ground cover growing in lawn....Roundup?
Comments (23)Sounds encouraging. I'd read some mixed reports on the effectiveness of 2,4-D (alone) against Ajuga, but (possibly) better results with a 3-way product, which Killex is (2,4-D, Mecoprop-P, Dicamba) http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/lawns/msg0918365630041.html http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=276043 So, it will be interesting to see your results. Yes, you are right Killex is available (at Canadian Tire), but only in British Columbia, Alberta & Manitoba. You are in BC, right? I'm in QC...sigh. Kind of farcical really, this provincial herbicide 'ban', when commercial lawn care companies can readily get the stuff (and political parties also). At least a third of the residents on my estate have their lawns sprayed....whether they really need it or not. I reckon the previous owner of my house was one and that chemical-dependency was at least part of the reason for my lawn problems....all those dormant seeds. That's my excuse anyway. Anyhow, I'll persist with the Roundup (no other choice now). Whilst slow (it's been about 2 1/2 weeks) it does appear to be working. Probably would have been quicker if I'd sprayed affected areas, rather than leaf-painted, from the start. Seems kind of counter-intuitive to water the weeds, but keeping the treated areas moist definitely helps. So, at the current rate of progress I'm still hoping that I'll be able to over-seed by mid-September. The thing that concerns me though is the sheer number and variety of weeds that are still coming up. Sure, the best natural weed-defense is a thick turf, but I'm beginning to think that I really do need to tackle at least the perennial broad-leafs, and if possible the dense carpets of crabgrass, which are now starting to turn to seed. The white clover that is taking over some areas I can live with. In fact I'm not averse to the idea of a mixed grass-clover lawn, though I can't speak for the neighbors. But the black medic (yellow trefoil) that is prevalent on my front lawn is less desirable. As someone commented on another forum - organic living is all well and good but sometimes you need a prescription from the doctor. I have inquired whether one the lawn-care firms (the one that acknowledged they use herbicides) might do a one-off spray, but they are only interested in offering a 'full year' maintenance plan. There's no way I could manually pull all of this stuff, as adept as I am with a Weed-Hound, and a lot of it is now partially obscured by crabgrass and clover/black medic. So, I guess I could try the available iron-based Weed-B-Gon, several neighbors look like they are having some success, at least with spot sprayed dandelions, but I think I'd need a bit more than spot treatment. Or else see if I can get hold of some Killex (might come back you). The big question then is how much treatment at this stage would put back fall over-seeding (killing time plus soil residual to consider). Don't really want to wait until Spring, as I'd like to try and get an early start with a pre-emergent then. What to do? This post was edited by WorBry on Tue, Aug 20, 13 at 14:11...See MoreGlyphosate will cause half children to be autistic,MIT researcher
Comments (41)I found the study Steve posted interesting. It doesn't seem necessarily contradictory to the study Hman posted, although I understand Hman's point was overall health. From other studies I've read skin cancer (and other cancers) are higher for applicators (farmers) but overall cancer rates are lower. What I found erroneous about the skin cancer study was that the researchers assumed farmers use PPE. They don't. I've read surveys where most farmers admit the only "PPE" they wear is sun glasses, leather gloves and a ball cap. I know several commercial apple or peach growers in my area and none of them wear any PPE. Of course we talk about these things. You have to picture what it's really like. Yes, everyone can quote what's required, but the reality is there's a million things to do and PPE takes extra time and gets in the way. Most people aren't going to drag out all the PPE to get the spray on. PPE is hot. Even nitrile gloves are hot and sweaty compared to leather gloves. Even leather gloves are a problem because you can't get the "tamper proof" seals off with leather gloves, so you have to take them off bare handed (which gets the "concentrate" on your hands-concentrate much more concentrated than homeowner products). I measure the product out with a digital scale and can't work the buttons with gloves. Respirators are also hot and uncomfortable to wear. They have respirators which continually feed you air with a fan, but those are bulky and heavy. For most farmer's it's much easier just to be "careful" mixing, loading and applying, rather than wear the PPE. You just want to get the spray on before the weather changes and the wind picks up. Really it's consistent with the way farmer's have always approached occupational safety. Farmer's are still in the top 10 list of most dangerous occupations, largely because of equipment accidents. They approach equipment safety the same way. Equipment safety shields get in the way, so they take them off. If there is a grain screen to keep one's clothes/limbs out of an auger, and that screen gets plugged up a few times, the farmer's going to torch that screen off with his cutting torch. As this relates to skin cancer, for my part, I know I'm high risk, being largely of Scandinavian descent. I've had one death in my extended family due to melanoma. It wouldn't at all surprise me if that's my cause of death. I try to be careful as I get older with sunscreen, but the truth is I still get badly burned several times a summer because forget to put it on. Sometimes I get blistered from welding because I'm in a hurry and don't cover up enough. I'm not different from the way most farmers approach occupational safety. I think the study regarding skin cancer and pesticides may have some merit, but causative correlation of skin cancer by pesticides, or sun exposure is the real question. According to the article, there isn't complete consensus on this. I'm not dismissing the role pesticides could possibly play in skin cancer because it does get all over your skin, but because of all the variables, it would seem difficult to isolate them in the study. Steve, I appreciate your measured approach to this topic, which is my goal. Sounds like you and I may think similar in this regard....See MoreReseeding Plan - glyphosate or not?
Comments (56)Some are overachievers and worse, morning people. I had germination on day 5 in absolutely terrible weather conditions. Some of your seed will be slackers and sit around playing their X-Box, finally getting around to sprouting sometime close to day 30. Cultivars vary in their sprout date as well. If memory servers, and it might not, the Compact-America grasses sprout a little faster while Compact-Midnight group grasses are notoriously slow. It's a great indication that you're providing good sprouting conditions, though, so you know you're doing everything right....See MoreGLYPHOSATE ON TRIAL
Comments (39)FWIW. I have used Glyphosate for several years, but always as "tool of last resort". I am not anti-chemical, as, after all, compost is a chemical cocktail, but I am always reluctant to use synthetic compounds. The manufacturers, even if they were 150% honest, CANNOT test their product to cover each and every possible scenario that the product could be used in. Even if they could, there is no way they can predict that it will NOT cause a problem 5/10/20 years down the track, as these are the timelines that cancers take to develop. A few years ago, while living in Australia, I had a discussion with a professional gardener, regarding Glyphosate. He was totally convinced that it was was harmless, to the extent that he was quite happy to prove his point, by drinking some of it in front of me. I have often wondered what happened to him. Fof...See More- 6 years ago
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