Check on Wolf ovens chipping blue enamel. Don't take the salesperson's word for whether or not the issue has been resolved. Check threads about it here and on Chowhound.

No on the Wolf E series. Why pay more money for less features? Ihave the Thermador steam oven and I love it. It must be wiped down after you use it. I suggest you try and find a demo and see one working. It’s a learning curve with the steam oven, but it’s worth it. As to the interior oven space, it matters only if your pans won’t fit. Otherwise, I’m hard pressed to think of what won’t take a 1/2sheet Pan.

If you are leaning towards Thermador, be aware the new models are starting to show up for pre-order on some appliance websites. The new models are more expensive and have a different design aesthetic. They are also releasing a stacked steam (2.5 cf) over convection (4.5 cf) model in both Masterpiece and Professional lines. The newer steam oven appears to be larger (at 2.5 cf compared to what I think is 1.4 cf) of the current model. It also does not appear to be a plumbed-in model.

If you go to the first link above, choose one of the collections and "Oven" and "Product Highlights" under the ovens (the specs link doesn't link to the right stuff yet). You'll get to a PDF that shows the new oven cutouts for planning purposes and a document that shows all the new models.

I've been watching for the new Thermador ovens for the home we're currently building and they just started showing up on some retail sites this week.

Michelle

I had just posted a bunch of information on the new Thermador ovens (I'm watching for these since we are currently building and I'm considering them) and suddenly "Poof!", my post was gone.

Thermador's new models are starting to hit appliance store websites and you can get to some early info via the brand website. They are releasing a stacked steam (2.8 cf) over convection (4.5 cf) that might work well if it's in your build timeframe.

Wow for a first post on the site the response time is amazing! Thanks Michelle/Rita/Heather. So I went and watched about two hours worth of videos this morning. I liked what I saw for Thermador. I really think we are going to love the steam and the size will not be a factor for the day to day cooking.

I got the floor models for $8,000 Canadian Dollars+ tx (about $6,200 USD) inclusive of extended warranty for a total of 6 years (4 beyond the manufacturers 2 years) . I am pretty sure I got a great deal because of the new models you mentioned.

I figured if the ovens last 20 years I am not going to sweat getting this new model for twice the price. Also we are taking possession of the new house in 2 months and I need the ovens decided to know my cabinetry measurements for the kitchen remodel.

I hope to send an update in 2019 once I have a month of use under my belt since reviews of the Thermador steam are few and far between online. Now to determine which dishwasher!

Thank you all again!

On the dishwasher, I've had Thermador/Bosch for over 25 years and 2 houses and am putting one in the new build. We are going with the Thermador Topaz - best bang for the buck of the line if you don't absolutely need the adjustable Chef's drawer and blue lighting.

I think you’ll be very happy. The steam oven is smaller, but I find it’s fine for my family of 4. I also have 30” double ovens for the big jobs, and since you also have a regular oven, the smaller size is more convenient. As for the dishwasher, consider whether you have hard water or not. I did and went with the Bosch with the water softener and it made a huge difference. I’m a big Bosch fan, but I believe the Thermador ones are made by Bosch. Miele makes great dishwashers, but of course they are pricier. In my opinion, the Bosch is the better value.

I've been doing the same "Thermador vs Wolf" song and dance OP was doing. I also landed on Thermador - going for the new models - but does anyone else find the GRAY GLASS on stainless steel to be so ugly? It reminds me of other color trends that have come and gone (thankfully). The gray glass was literally the ONE thing that made me almost abandon Thermador altogether... I am still trying to come to terms with it. Thoughts?

Looks nice!! Thank you for the update!

Hi friends! I guess I’m a year+ late to the party, but I’m struggling with the same decision. New custom build. I can go with Thermador double oven, Steam on top/Convection on bottom amd if I go with Therm Cooktop, I get a free Therm Dishwasher. Or Wolf. I have to put the two ovens together, as steam/convection doesn’t come as double. Steam panel is on top, vs Therm on side and Convection had dual fans, vs Therm having one. No free dishwasher. Wolf is well more expensive. I’m only doing this once!!! I cook, bake daily. Veggies, meals, not so much sweets. Any advice??? Thank you!

Frannie,

I don’t think you can really go too wrong. I put the thermador ovens and have a shelf in between them as you can see by my pictures. It looks like a double oven but has two unique controls.

My mother-in-law has wolf and loves it. I find the veggies in the steam oven are great and so is reheating and defrosting meat. Chicken is super tender. I only sous vide my steaks and lamb but have tried the steam and it is somewhat similar. Downside of steam is you have to clean your oven often or it will smell (and is probably pretty unsanitary)

I enjoy my induction cooktop with thermador as well. I like it a lot as it heats up super fast and gives me good control while being much easier to clean than gas. I like the timer feature for boiling pasta and appreciate that it is safer for my kids.

I got a gaggenau dishwasher. They are all owned by bosche and use the same guts from my understanding. No complaints.

All that to say I preferred the look of the thermador professional to the wolf and that is why I picked it.

Hope this helps!

@franniejaye

I would not buy any Wolf product with a blue interior. There have been ongoing problems with the blue, chipping going back over 10 years. It was reported in the last month or so again. Some people have gone through multiple ovens. The M series oven was designed to make it easier to repair with a replaceable bottom. It has the corner fans though and people have complained of hot spots along the sides if you fill the oven side to side.

I do think you are better off with two appliances, CSO and convection oven because if something catastrophic happens to one, you don’t have to replace both. You can also pick each component as “best“ rather than buying a certain oven and getting the CSO that comes with it.

@Jon M I see you did the steam and oven separate? I am debating between the two as one unit vs separate. I like the idea of separate controls but comes at a cost of $1700 more. Also, which induction did you end up with? I"m debating getting the Freedom...

Hi Donna,

I got the older professional models. I believe they came out with new ones about 4 months after I bought my ovens (about 3 years ago). They were liquidating the floor models. I was not even aware they came as a single unit. There is a shelf between my two ovens.

I got the Thermador induction 36KITCB with the 5 burner spots, but based on your other post (I tried to message you directly as an answer and stumbled on your other post with the picture of the wolf and your grilled cheese) you look like you want the whole thing as a burner. We don’t have a large set of pans and my wife keeps saying we should buy a couple bigger ones. We just have a cast iron, a 12 inch, a 10 inch and a Wok so don’t need much more. Never had an issue but we never make more than 4 things at once.

I love induction so far. So much easier to clean than gas. Water boils super quick and I enjoy the temperature responsiveness. My concern was when I read the reviews on the freedom it had some electrical kinks. I assume they have worked that out or you can get the guaranty.

Personally I liked the look of the wolf induction top more and had I not got a great deal on my Thermador I would all things being equal pick the wolf. They are both good brands and make quality products. Since you also mentioned you will need new pans. I have an All Clad 5ply and a couple 3 ply Scan pans. I actually find myself reaching for the Scanpan more.

For what it is worth for Dishwashers I read Miele and or Bosch products (Thermador or gaggenau) were best. I wanted one with the salt and quiet since I read it cleans better and is less likely to have that smell.

Hope this helped!

Wolf's website provides a warning about the chipped enamel and in so many words, Wolf is washing their hands of the problem and claim that it is cosmetic only.