arent there momma plants around??? .. if so... if we ID them.. these follow ...

or did you just throw some seed there????

ken

'Autumn Joy' is a named variety but there are others such as 'Brilliant', 'Neon' etc. No way to know until it blooms.

And 'Autumn Joy' is an improper translation into English of the correct cultivar name 'Herbstfreude' given originally by Arends nursery in Germany.

And Herbstfreude translated into English is Autumn Joy, and since we're are all speaking English.................

That's not how it works, of course. Just as your given name wouldn't change because you went to a non-English speaking country. And we here in the West have been calling the Chinese city Beijing instead of Peking for some years now because that is what the city's name is.

It's a word that's hard to pronounce, even if one knew how it was suppised to be pronounced, but since both words have the same meaning I don't think calling it Autumn joy should really be an issue. You can refer to it while understanding the meaning. It blooms in Autumn and its flowers are a joy to behold. One might refer to it by its Germanic title if one wanted to impress their garden visitors with exotic names and thus try to elevate the impotance of the plant, but regardless what you call it, it will still be the same species.

Way more people use the "Autumn Joy" than the German Name here in the states so that will be easier to understand.

Someone started that ball rolling a long time ago, but it's not always the case, because everyone who grows the various Ipomoea nil cultivars likes using there Japanese names, because they think it's cool and trendy. Go figure?

i prefer almond joy ... you know.. sometimes you feel like a nut ...

understand embo ... there should be only one name for a plant ...universe-wide ...

agree with jay .... hard to fix a problem created 50 or a hundred years ago ...

the nomenclature police could solve it all by giving it a new unpronounceable 100 character name .. oh wait.. they did ... lol

lets just call it joe.. and be done with it ...

ken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTNpjWZc34E

joe apparently had issues ....

A bunch of people doing a wrong thing doesn't make it the right thing, it just means a bunch of people are doing a wrong thing. Not of enough importance that anyone should be distressed, IMVHO, but it's interesting trivia about that particular cultivar. I'm not really into cultivars, generally, but it's the only one I know offhand that has been "translated." That's not usually how cultivar names are handled, they just are what they are.

Everyone agrees that it's the same kind of Sedum (now known as Hylotelephium) from which the 'AJ' or 'Herb...' cultivar comes, but that it's not possible to know which cultivar it might be until it blooms. Even then, it may be impossible to know which one it is because there are so many.

Thank you all for the responses.

I never realized this name was so controversial lol.

Autumn Joy was on the label of the plant I planted in that general area several years ago, but I think it died not long after. Wasn't sure if these two were its descendants.

There may be a momma plant about 30 feet away - picture below - it blooms a pale pinkish-purple flower.

Thank you all again!

Like the label said! LOL

Rudbeckia 'Herbstsonne' is another one that gets translated sometimes. Also Juligold.

R Goldsturm is a fun one because so many people transpose the u and the r and end up with Goldstrum.

Sorry but the given name is the given name, and not translations of it into other languages. Many cultivars in western gardens are of German origin. Going the other way from English to German somebody from the US or Britain named Brown does not become Braun when they go to Germany. Even though a bunch of people there might prefer Braun to Brown.

Using a plant's actual and correct cultivar name is no more of an affectation than any other usages of the right terminology in any other context. If your doctor told you you had a basal cell carcinoma would you then accuse them of being a smarty pants?

Actually, I was trying to do you a favor, and free you from the burden of feeling obligated to post a rebuttal every time someone uses those 2 dreadful words. I offer this olive branch allbeit slightly withered. I still call Gartenmeister Bonstedt fuchsias Gartenmeister Bonstedt. Yeah, you have great powers of persuasion, but good luck at convincing 99.875% of the population to switch from using AUTUMN JOY to that unpronouncable German word. :)

Some people just like to pick nits :-) And insist on having the last word. If one were writing a doctoral thesis on the plant or including it in a monograph on the genus then perhaps precision in taxonomy/nomenclature is desired.

For the rest of its applications........just not necessary. If the RHS and the Plant List consider the English translation of the cultivar name synonymous with the original German, that's good enough for me!!

1. I was born in Thailand and was given a Thai Name . When I was 7 , I moved to Philladelphia where my school mates and everyone else butchered my name so bad that my mom's toes curled in disgust, so without my permission, she changed my name to something I could not stand when I was 13. I changed my name to a shortened version of my thai name that eastcoast city folk could wrap their tongues around without creating a gawd awful sound. What I changed it to has a negative meaning in Thailand (who knew, I had forgotten my Thai). I did not know this till I met my father and he gave me another nickname to use. I went to mainland China to go to college for a semester, and when I arrived there, they immediately gave me a Chinese name . No matter, I am still the same person and I respond to quite a few names. As far as what is my proper name...god only knows. I choose to be flexible about naming issues. Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly.

Word!!!¡ lol