Those sound like reasonable options for your lifestyle, but it locks future buyers of your home into that size, unless they plan on redoing all the cabinetry. And you will eventually sell your home, so you may want to keep that in mind. Unless you live in a crazy real estate market, it might entice potential buyers to look elsewhere. I'm not saying it should change your mind - just think about that factor.

Argh I seriously need to remember to hit the submit button before walking away...

Thats a good thing to consider, I hadn’t thought of that. Unless time and unforeseen circumstances bite us in the rear we will be here until we die or are in a nursing home, and then it will be the kids issue to contend with haha.

I wonder if we did go that route there would be a way to do it so that the next people wouldn’t have such an issue changing them out if they wished.

(ah, and you reminded me..I do laundry almost every day..sometimes several loads per day because I separate by colors, and fabrics, and whatnot..and the freaking garage where the laundry is looks like my brain probably does..messy and full of things it doesn't need and I saw a spider net there today...what can I say, sad associations lol)

Eeeek is freak out if I saw that! Mine is in the basement anyway and I dislike it.

I wonder why we here are so fussy like that about appliances compared to other countries.

I wouldn't redo a home with compact appliances because you are creating a headache down the road for anyone who doesn't want non-standard appliances.

You are really not gaining all that much when you downsize appliances - 12" in total and both the larger dishwasher and the stove function as counter space as well. All you would be gaining would be 12" of lower cabinet storage.

ETA - It's not so much the size of the oven but the spacing for the burners that would drive me crazy since they are on top of each other. And, as posted, you are really limiting the universe of appliance choices.

I would not do a smaller range because of the pot crowding issue. I would consider a smaller dishwasher.

Great steps so far on minimizing! Regular size. Our kitchen is about 120 square feet and last was 100. We have anywhere from 4+ living here and mostly eat at home. However... I worked with a tiny stove while on vacation and in an apartment and they really can only handle two pots/pans and the oven size could be an issue with some of your frozen staples. I dislike microwaves and rather have the cabinet space instead. Do you have a pantry? That helps.

How does your budget look? It certainly is possible to squeeze more compact appliances into a tiny space. But anything non-standard is going to cost a premium.

If you want to optimize space, without compromising functionality, I would consider a full-size induction cooktop. Doesn't really steal much space, as it doesn't impact lower cabinets, and as you can still use the cooktop as a countertop when not in use.

For the oven, I'd get a 24" SpeedOven. That way, you are not taking up a lot of space, and you have both an oven and a microwave.

I personally would still go with a 24" dishwasher, as our family of four fills it daily. But if you think you can do with less, then you could consider 18".

If you are tight on countertop space, you could get a workstation-style sink. It becomes your primary prep-area, and you thus have less need for countertop area.

None of the above will be cheap.

What you don't tell us is how big your kitchen is. To do this in a small NYC apt kitchen, sure, go ahead. If this is a regular single-family home with an average-sized kitchen, not so much.

You haven’t looked at the premium prices for less space.

If you are not going to sell your home in the next 10 years go with what you want and enjoy. Most people who may buy the house will probably redo a 10 year old kitchen anyway.

I put in a 18 inch Bosch D/W for my Mom and I was amazed at how much it would wash. Easily handles a dinner for 6. For the range you could go with a 24 inch cooktop and a 24 inch oven under it.

We're two adults. I've been happy with my stacked dish drawers. I run the top one after dinner -- have to remind myself to *use* the lower one, but it's there when we need it. They run independent of one another, should you have different loads needing more or less wash time. You could even alternate use, using clean dishes out of one while loading the other with soiled ones.

Sophie’s correct, I’ve not looked at prices, just tossing ideas around to see what is our best bet. My assumption is price wise it will make more sense to go with regular size stove and DW...tho I do also like the idea of stacked drawers!

Space isn’t a huge problem, really..we’ll be adding some space in a panty of sorts, so future people will have way more storage than we did originally.

I like to talk things thru first so when I present it as “we’re doing xyz and here’s the reasoning behind it” it’s all taken care of and thought out beforehand.

"My assumption is price wise it will make more sense to go with regular size stove and DW"

Yeah......I wouldn't call it a premium price, but you don't save any by going with a smaller size. I just bought compact stacked W/D, and they cost me about as much as a full sized stacked W/D would (comparable brands).

As mentioned, there are fewer appliances in smaller sizes (such as 18" wide DWs) and they'll cost you more with less selection.

The non-square aspect (they're still 24" deep) usually means the dishes at the back and front don't get cleaned as well as the rotary spray doesn't reach those spots. That was my experience with a Frigidaire 18" (for the rental suite). A full size hardly consumes much more power to run an 18" vs a 24", at least if you're not using heated drying.

Same thing with 24" range tops. Pot crowding can become an issue.

It's only an additional nominal 12" to go to full size so unless your kitchen is really that small and space an issue, I'd go with full size.

Some of the small appliances mentioned above are priced, to say the least, a little bit high.

"It's only an additional nominal 12" to go to full size"

Actually, a standard full size is 30", so that's only an extra 6". Either way, more than just "nominal" in some spaces (although here it sounds like there's enough room).

12" - 6" each for both the DW and range

I tried to find a 24 in range for our lake house last year and the reviews of all of them (electric anyways) were not just bad, they were awful. I gave up and bought a full size.

I mean 12" total to get full size dishwasher and stove.

Right, I understand now what you meant!

If space isn't an issue, what's the benefit of smaller appliances? Standard sizes will provide you with more flexibility now and in the future. Apartment sized stoves are a pain to use because everything is so crowded -- pot handles stick out, no place to set hot pans down, etc. Since you don't cook much, get an energy efficient dishwasher with options for a quick rinse. You can use it regularly without guilt, and you will be glad you have it when you are feeding 10 guests.

The thought came about b/c it seems so silly to use a regular size stove to cook a pizza or a casserole, and waiting for the DW to be full to wash at times means I am taking things out to hand wash.

It's sounding like not something I'll end up doing...may look into the drawers a little bit but probably will stick w/regular dw.

" b/c it seems so silly to use a regular size stove to cook a pizza or a casserole,"

Consider getting a countertop oven like a Breville Smart Oven for times when you only make a small amount of a small-sized item. And you'll still have a full-sized oven for when you make larger items/quantities (even if it's only a few times a year if you entertain). And you'll have a full sized stove too. I'm single and used my Smart Oven for 80% of my oven-use -- used the full sized oven for baking and very occasional larger items when entertaining.

I'd be interested to know the relative energy consumption on a mini oven vs a full-size one. One may use a lot of energy to heat up initially but uses less to maintain temperature, while the other may use less initially but consumes more to maintain temperature. Baking results are also iffy for small ovens.

As for DWs, it is said washing with a full DW is generally less energy-consuming than washing by hand, unless you use the low-water method of washing in < 1-2" of soapy water, and rinsing in <1-2" of clear water (no running water allowed)

The other option would be to get a stove which has small and large oven compartments.

I had a stove years ago that was built pre microwave. It had a small oven attached on top where a microwave would now go. I used that small oven all the time.

I did get a good convection counter top oven which I also found very convenient. Mine is a Cuisinart - I had considered the Breville but the dimensions were bigger and I wanted to limit how much counter space I would have to use for it.

I wouldn't deliberately get a counter top oven unless I had a lot of counter space because it essentially took up a huge percentage of counter in my relatively small kitchen.

The issue with getting non-standard appliance sizes is that it really is an expensive proposition if one wants to change down the road. The space for my refrigerator prior to my remodel was short and narrow and suited for an "apartment size" refrigerator. This really limited my options unless I wanted to get new cabinets.

Some of it, as far as like, down the road someone else having a hard time w/switching them out or not liking it, messing w/resale value etc...my husband and I were just talking this morning when we were outside touring our gardens..it's sad for us to think that when we're dead, someone most likely is not going to appreciate it and come in and tear out the vast majority of our landscaping and reseed it to grass...so aaallll the hard work and sweat and money we've poured into making our yard gorgeous (our definition of gorgeous, of course, not everyone likes this much for gardens) will go down the tubes.

So in some respects, if I were to decide one or both of the appliances would work for *us* in a compact size, we are the ones living here right now, and will hopefully be here for 20+ years..assuming my long lived Swedish family history pans out, I'm at least looking at almost 40. We do need to have our home fit *us* rather than a possible future buyer who may not even be born yet. Otherwise, everyone's homes would literally need to be the same, according to some mythical potential future buyer.

Now, having said that---the compact stove I really, now, don't think is for us. The oven part, maybe yes..but the cooktop part..no. Sometimes we make separate things b/c my husband wants one thing and I don't, so we have all four burners going..if it were smaller and more squished together that wouldn't work well.

So, I'm glad I asked about it b/c I am able to cross that off my list, thank you! The DW...the 18", I don't like the idea of the corners being a bit left out of the wash area..so if we were to do anything other than a regular DW, it would be two drawers so we could fill one while washing one.

**and of course, if it's a whole lot extra to do that, then 24" DW it is! I spose running it before it's full still would save water etc as opposed to hand washing.

You could always put in an 18" DW and build in a 6" storage space next to it so that it's not a big deal down the road for someone to install a 24" DW. I'd keep the 30" range, but do as Helen suggested an use one that has two cavities.

I never cooked much until we relocated & remodeled our kitchen. It's now just so nice to putter around in there. The hubby and I are finding we actually *like* to cook! Beware... it could happen to you too. :-)

Otherwise my suggestion is to get yourself a toaster oven. More efficient to re-heat stuff in that, rather than cranking up the main oven. (We no longer have one since our remodel, but did have one before and it got daily use, much more so than our range).

I have a very small house and love my 18” Bosch DW with 3rd drawer and water softener. I never knew dishes could be so clean. I live alone and run it every two days. Sophie is correct about the higher cost of small appliances. Mine retails for about $900, but a stroke of good luck steered me to a gently used unit that had been donated to a non-profit building supply store (not ReStore but similar) by a homeowner redoing her kitchen. It was less than a year old and cost only $350. One thing to keep in mind is that it’s manufactured in Germany and the tongs are closer together than in the American versions. Thick dishes are hard to fit in. I suggest bringing dishes to a store to see how they fit in a DW, whether it’s an 18” or full size. Regarding the range, if space isn’t an issue, a full size with two oven cavities makes sense. That said, I rarely use my oven since buying a Cuisinart combo steam/convection countertop oven. In fact, I could live quite comfortably with the Cuisinart and a double induction hob.

One thing to keep in mind is that it’s manufactured in Germany and the tongs are closer together than in the American versions. Thick dishes are hard to fit in.

Funny that you would say that. Our family of four is used to a 24" Miele that we run every day to day-and-a-half. It works beautifully for us, and I am always amazed just how many plates, bowls, pots, cutting boards, and other cooking accessories I can squeeze in there. And they always come out flawlessly clean.

During our remodel, we are currently using a kitchen that has a Kitchenaid dishwasher. And I am always frustrated that it barely fits enough for a single day. And I regularly need to hand-wash items when they come out of the dishwasher, because I apparently crammed them too tightly -- again.

I own a small bungalow (648 sf) and my galley kitchen was remodeled shortly before I bought it 8 years ago and the previous owners put in a compact stove and DW. I hate them! I find I'm running the dishwasher at least once a day (I'm single, but I do cook). The stove only has one large burner and 3 small burners. The interior does not accomodate regular sized cookie sheets. I would love to have standard size appliances, but can't afford a kitchen remodel at this time.

If you have the space, I'd say go with full size appliances.

Unfortunately, in today's market, going non-standard is going to be nothing but headaches down the road. Getting a couple inches of cabinet space back will not in any way be worth the headache created when you have to replace these appliances and your options are small to non-existent. On top of that, if you ever sell, this will be a deal-killer for 99% of buyers.

I think after the comments and applying them to our home, I will look at stoves w/two ovens..not sure how much more they will be than a standard one, but never hurts to look. If it won't work cost wise, then that's no biggee. The DW, I'll look at stacked drawers, and again, if it's too much cost wise, I'll just stick w/the regular size.

Thanks everyone!

FWIW, stoves with double ovens are pretty much the same price as ovens with one compartment. The double oven feature doesn't seem to impact price - when I was looking at stoves, they all seemed to be in the middle price range.

score! thanks!