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Comments (5)I have noticed the recommendation for a CO detector. . . read this article first. It was posted in the HomeRepair forum here. (CBS) NAPERVILLE More than 10 years ago a Chicago ordinance required homes to have a carbon monoxide detector to warn you if the deadly gas is present. But even if you change your battery every year and press the test button regularly, you may not be protected. Your detector may not be working properly or not at all. CBS 2's Ed Curran reports on what could be a deadly silence. "It was kind of scary, you pass out in the bathroom and wake up on the couch and you have no idea," said Vigunya Voratanitkitkul. In March, Voratanitkitkuls boyfriend, Logan, found her lifeless body on the bathroom floor. The Chicago Fire Department found high levels of carbon monoxide in their home -- 206 parts per million. She did not have a CO detector. "They said we were lucky to be alive," Voratanitkitkul said. Naperville Assistant Fire Chief Rich Mikel has pulled many people out of homes filled with carbon monoxide. Carbon monoxide is a silent killer. You cannot see, taste or smell it. At high enough levels, you could be dead within an hour. Your detector is your last and perhaps only defense in an emergency. So how do you know if it's working? "I wouldn't trust a CO detector more than 2 years old. I'd toss it and get a new one. Unfortunately, I canÂt guarantee the new one's going to work," said gas detection expert Paul Clifford. Clifford has extensively studied home carbon monoxide detectors. One of his studies show that commercial brands behave inconsistently, with four out of five failing at low humidity levels, similar to Chicago winters. We recruited 13 Chicago area families for a test. With the help of the Naperville Fire Department, we burned carbon monoxide rich charcoal to see if their detectors, plus one we purchased new, worked. When the fire department measured carbon monoxide levels topping 100 ppm, the digital read outs of the CO detectors read 63, 48, 44, 41, 135, 19, and 0. The digital readings are all over the map and they can be. Right now they don't have to be accurate. In 2007, Underwriters Labs will require them to have a margin of error of plus or minus 30 percent. "Many sensors being used are inaccurate," Clifford said. "It's only going to go off once, you may already have a deadly level of CO poisoning, and that's not good enough." Back to our test -- the poisonous gas continues to mount and one detector still has not gone off. Our meters show us 475 ppm in this room. Every detector's gone off except one. It shows less than 60 ppm. That malfunctioning CO detector belongs to Bill Michiels. For seven years, his family used it in their Oak Park home. "There's nothing on this to indicate there's an error to me," Michiels said. It turns out Michiel's detector had been recalled six years ago. His is among more than one million recalled by the Consumer Product Safety Commission over the last 10 years. When you press the test button on most CO detectors, you're testing the electrical circuits, not the gas sensor. A warning or signal to tell you the sensor's no longer working is not required by Underwriters Lab. The CPSC wants that changed. In one report it says "UL should include an Âend of life signal." Underwriters Lab say they're working on it. "That's a possible recommendation for the standards development committee. Any reasonable recommendation is accepted and will be evaluated thoroughly," said John Drengenberg with Underwriters Laboratories. Underwriters Laboratories says standards for detector performance in low humidity levels will be strengthened in 2007. Most of the detectors we tested were older and technology has advanced a lot. Underwriters and all the companies we spoke with, including First Alert, Kidde and American Sensors, all recommend replacing carbon monoxide detectors every five years. Both Kidde and American Sensors are manufacturing newer models that have an "end of life" signal. The bottom line here is detectors do save lives -- just replace them more often. (© MMV, CBS Broadcasting, Inc. All Rights Reserved.)...See Morewhat are good communicating smoke detectors????
Comments (2)Most brands of smoke alarms mount very similarly so replacing one brand with another is usually just a matter of replacing one mounting plate with another on the wall or ceiling. There may be some minor cosmetic touchup of paint required from time to time, though. I just installed a mix of hard-wired Kidde 1275 ionization and PE120 photoelectric smoke alarms in a new home (new construction). Hard wiring uses a three wire cable connecting all the alarms together (14-3 romex typically) with the black/white wires supplying 120V power, and the red wire carrying the fire signal between alarms so all alarm together. The above units also have battery backup....See MoreAny CO/Smoke Alarm Recommendations?
Comments (3)AMAZON always has a good selection of things like those. Their reviews are often good if there's enough of them. Since you want wired and they have a limited supply you can get by with the search for carbon monoxide Another place to see choices is nextag.com but they are so big that you must use the right search terms or you can lose your item in the crowd. Keep it simple as a rule. Try this in nextag.com website. wired carbon monoxide I like them. As you click on an item you can see the price history and the price change over the past year. It helps you to know what kind of deal you're getting. Lastly try Google's shopping section. Search google for wired carbon monoxide then click on 'shopping' at the top of the page to see only items for sale. and sort from low to high price. While only amazon has reviews you'll see many choices without getting lost in the Intenet if you try the tact I suggested. I'll show you , below, how to get a bit more good from Google.. Here's some more sites to check via google and here's a tip on how to search just the site you want. Grainger is a good site for everything. In google type this. site:grainger.com wired carbon monoxide After you see the list of hits on grainger's site go to 'images' upper left corner. That will show you images quickly and rush you to the page on grainger that might be what you want. Although you might not like Grainger at least you'll get a fast , thorough, education with pictures. The search tip works for any website. Just be sure that when you search a site that you're really searching their product site. Some places might have a sales site, a service site, and the url (address) could be site:service.website.com carbon monoxide site:uk.website.com carbon monoxide site:sales.website.com carbon monoxide Those might take you way off track when you are anticipating getting exactly what you want. Just be aware. It doesn't happen very often. If you get interested about learning more how to exploit this kind of research post a reply and I'll check back. Andre...See Morewhich hardwired smoke detectors to use???
Comments (2)I'll address a couple of the wiring-related questions and let others recommend brands. The usual wiring method is to supply power from a 15-amp circuit to the first detector in the daisy chain. (I say a 15-amp circuit because that means all the wiring can use #14 guage wire which is cheaper and easier to use than #12.) The first detector is wired for power using 14-2 and then 14-3 (black, white, red plus bare ground) is used to connect other detectors down the line. The black and white wires carry power from one smoke to the next--just like any other circuit--and the red wire is used as a control wire to propagate the signal so that if one detector goes off, they all sound. There are two schools of thought as to whether this should be a separate isolated circuit or whether it should be branched from another circuit with other loads on it. Some argue that it is better to tap a circuit with other loads (usually lighting) because if the circuit goes dead for any reason, occupants will notice that a light or other outlet isn't working. The other side takes the position that it should be a dedicated circuit so that it has the lowest chance of being out of order in the first place and that an electical short in, say, a lighting circuit won't disable the smoke detectors at the very time they are needed. (A dedicated circuit also allows for easy installation of a battery backup capacity for the "smokes" without having to power other loads. This is required in some jurisdictions.) The electrical code does not cover wiring of smoke detectors. However, fire codes sometimes do address the issue. In my area, and a number of cities across the country, smoke detectors must be on a dedicated circuit to meet fire code requirements. In other areas, it is considered "best practice" to tap from a circuit with other loads as long as the path cannot be switched on and off (except via the circuit breaker). The best way to answer this question is to check with the local AHJ, keeping in mind that it may be governed by the building or fire inspector rather than the electrical inspector....See Morechicagoans
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