Thanks very much saltcedar, I'll definitely look into that, does look very similar. Kinda disappointed though, was hoping for some grapes or berries :-(.

Hi Bougainvillea is fantastic, nothing will flower more for sure. Come in many colors as well as doubles and chageable colors. I've heard of thornless varieties but have never found one. Sand paper vine is the one vine that has no negatives. Flowers almost year around spectacularly twicw a year. The white and double flowering types I found to be far less vigorous. You might google Thunbergia .at least 25 vining members of the family. Way too aggresvive for me . I recently located a T. mysorensis which seems to be easily controlled but has not flowered so far.. It's being over run by blue pea vine and is shaded. Might do the same for Jasminium family at least 50 species not to mention at least as many hybrids. My favorites are the Madagascan types If you want something to baby and worry about you might consider New Guinea trumpet vine or either the Green or red jade vines. Worlds most spectacular vines but oh the drawbacks lol. Very cold sensitive for starters. gary

Hmmm - cup and saucer is more of an upwardly mobile vine. Maybe you should try morning glory - funny, I think I have have the same vinyl picket fence along the back of my yard where it meets an alley - from Lowe's. Anyway, morning glory is a good-guaranteed-to-grow choice. There are countless colors to choose from - Grandpa Ott's is a deep purplish blue that might look great w/ the cup and saucer vine. Morning glories can "take over" but they are easy to tame. Oh, did I tell you I think both cup are only available in seed form? At least, I can't find plants in Cols, OH where I live. Best, Howard

Thank you, ghoghunter (Joann), toad08 (crazy that we're both 08s!), and butterfly4u for you replies and advice. I really do appreciate your wisdom, as I am really pretty new to gardening (though, I am finding it to be an addictive, enjoyable--but expensive :)--hobby! I am sorry that it has taken me this long to say thank you and address each of your posts. ghoghunter- I had heard of dutchman's pipe and I do like it. I will do some more research on it a a climber for my tree. I do know a bit about trumpet vine as well--my mother has one growing on a large brush pile she has at the back of her 6 acre property and it is absolutely gorgeous. I would love to plant trumpet vine...but the tree is too close to my house and I know it spreads like wildfire, so that is not an option. Thanks again for your suggestions! toad08- Chester County, PA is in zone 6--sorry I forgot to include that! I was under the impression that American Wisteria is "safer" :) and much less aggressive than Chinese Wisteria/non-native wisteria? The woman at the garden center where I purchased it said that growing it on my pergola would be fine, but that some pruning would be necesary of course. Maybe I am too naive and she was just making a sale :) Could you tell me a little more about the differences between American and Chinese wisteria? I have done some research on the web and did not find anything to make me think planting it where I did was a huge mistake. Please take no offense--I'm not trying to sound rude at all! I just want to know from an experienced gardener their personal experiences with American wisteria vs. Chinese, ect. Since we are not in the same zone though...not sure how that affects the question/answers... Thanks again for all! butterfly4u- Wow! Thank you for so much input! I will talk to someone about my dead tree before I go through with any planting of any vine. The tree is not totally dead though, I've come to realize more and more. There are lots of leaves on the side that was not struck by lightening and it looks healthy besides the charred side (not the whole side either, just a blaze) So, perhaps I need not worry about the tree so much as worrying about not killing it further with a vine? I would just like to conceal the charring. But, again, I will most defidenly consult a professional first--I feel stupid b/c I never even thought of that! Thank you!! I did look up the climbing hydrangea and it is lovely! I will consider it for the tree (if I am given the go-ahead) but for sure another spot in the yard--I have a tall fence that could use some sprucing up...would this vine work for that spot (7' tall, flat panel pine privacy fence)? Any further advice or experience would be very much appreciated! As for the wisteria...as I said above, I thought that American Wisteria was much less agressive and safe for the house than a non-native wisteria? Well, mayber dumb question, as you stated that your girlfriend has one that she uses a ladder to reach to prune--sorry!! I'm fine with ladders/heights, so that is not an issue. How should I help the wisteria to climb up to the actual pergola since it cannot climb the square post? The post may not even be 10" on each side...how small an object does a wisteria need to twine around? I thought since it was so heavy a vine that a larger object would be good? I know the stems become very thick. You know more than me though...please advise as to what material (sorry, oh god--you said wire! I'm sorry to be so careless!--see last sentence please) to attach to the post to get it to climb and how to actually train the vine onto that object, if you can--much appreciated! **How do I attach the wire and what kind of wire? Not to be completely sounding idiotic...but, like how much space between the post so the vine can twine between the wire and post? Thank you, thank you, thank you! Kind Regards-- Lauren