Do I need to specify "white" for vinegar in recipes?
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Recipes in 'Joy of Pickling' are loaded with vinegar
Comments (11)In my experience canned fermented pickles often loose their crispness. Easy to prevent by using Pickle Crisp. It can be added to any recipe where extra crispness is preferred. I am with you that most recipes for fresh packed pickles have too much vinegar to my taste. I understand that it is done for safety, but I doubt so much vinegar is actually a healthy thing to consume. Like degree of crispness desired, fermented pickle vs. vinegar pickle is just a matter of personal taste. Many prefer fresh pack (vinegar) pickles over fermented. But in no way is the amount of vinegar called for in approved pickle recipes harmful. First because the consumption of vinegar is generally considered beneficial from a medical point of view and second because you don't actually consume that much of it when eating the pickles - not unless you drink the brine in the jar. So there are pros and cons to both methods but it all boils down to personal preference. I looked at the fermented pickles entry, hot water bath at 180-185�F for 30 minutes, and that looks like a great solution, thanks! Low pasteurization doesn't destroy the nutrients, at least not as much as pressure canning would. The link I posted was for the BWB processing time rather than the pasteurization because the pasteurization process has very limited applicability. It can only be used on recipes that call for it in the instructions because it requires a specific pH to insure safety. Thus most recipes approved for pasteurization will include at least some vinegar added. See details linked below. One thing I want to preserve is a couple of really large winter squash. ON p. 159, Ziedrich has a recipe for crisp pickled pumpkin or squash. It has 2 cups of ACV per 3-1/2 lbs. of squash. That seems like it would make the squash sour. I may make 1/2 of the recipe to see how I like it. She doesn't say how long they will be good for, and I need to be able to preserve these for maybe a year, until these squash are available again next fall. Recipe is page 116 in the new edition for those who what to check it out. It is a fresh pack (not fermented) sweet pickle recipe that also includes 1 cup of sugar so no it wouldn't be sour. The recipe calls for BWB processing for 10 mins. Once processed the jars will store indefinitely (like most canned goods) unless opened. Once opened it must be refrigerated. I can think of two options - one is to make her recipe, without the vinegar, and can it. It wouldn't be fermented, so it would need to be pressure cooked, right? Then it wouldn't be a pickle. It would just be canned pumpkin/squash which is a whole other thing and would require pressure canning. See: http://nchfp.uga.edu/how/can_04/pumpkin_winter_squash.html If I understand your questions correctly you are trying to preserve primarily vegetables and do it without a pressure canner, correct? If so then you need to understand that vegetables are low PH and require pressure canning for safe shelf storage. If you don't want to do pressure canning then your only option is to (1) ferment them in lactic acid and then pasteurize them IF the recipe is approved for pasteurization or process them in a BWB OR (2) pickle them in vinegar (acetic acid) and then process them in a BWB. Either way if what you want is shelf storage then they must be processed in a BWB. Don't rule out vinegar preservation without trying it. It is by far the more common way of pickling for most folks and not nearly as strange tasting as you might think because it is often diluted, sweetened and/or flavored with other spices. ACV is much milder and sweeter in flavor than white but either can be used safely as can wine vinegar as long as it is 5% acidity. I hope this helps. If not let us know. Dave Here is a link that might be useful: NCHFP - Pasteurization Guidelines...See MoreNewbie Question: White or Apple Cider Vinegar?
Comments (3)"driving my family crazy", LOL. They'll enjoy your hobby this winter! What matters is that the vinegar is 5% acidity. Which kind, distilled or cider, is totally up to you. Some prefer white vinegar for light pickles and relishes to maintain the brightest color. It also has a sharper flavor. Old-time farm cooks often chose apple cider vinegar, even if it did darken the product, because it has a softer, sweeter finish on the palate. So it's totally a matter of individual preference. You could always divide a batch and try some of each. (Just be careful about measurement if it's salsa you're dividing.) Carol...See MoreNeed a Vinegar Based Slaw Recipe, Please!
Comments (23)Yes, arjay! We enjoyed a very successful slaw tasting, lol, trying all the ingredients together in different combinations. The unanimous slaw winner was the recipe from Bon Appetit: 1/4 cup red wine vinegar 2 tablespoons sugar 2 teaspoons coarse kosher salt 1/4 teaspoon celery seeds 3 green onions, thinly sliced 2 8-ounce packages coleslaw mix Whisk first 4 ingredients in large bowl. Mix in green onions. Add coleslaw mix; toss. The person who made this reduced the amount of sugar slightly. We thought the onions would be too strong but they were actually wonderful. And we ended up adding a small amount of a local Georgia vinegar based barbecue sauce to the pulled pork (because it needed some added moisture when sitting on top of a piece of cornbread) and added a tiny sweet gherkin pickle to the top! We christened this the Barbecue Parfait and I made twelve for our board meeting the next evening which were a huge hit with everyone. We have purchased red and white gingham tablecloths and I bought 120 cotton bandanas in navy blue to use as napkins, and we have four darling blue pitchers shaped like mason jars to take to the florist for daisies. I think it will be a great themed reception for the bluegrass band, the singers and their families, and our patrons! Btw, we are asking everyone who contributes food to this endeavor to use Martha White Cotton Country cornbread mix, as it is complete, EASY (just add water) and is not the least bit sweet. I am already thinking about our Celtic concert in mid May....it is the last of the season and DH and I are throwing a massive pub crawl theme party the next night for singers and spouses/SOs, our patrons and program advertisers. I am going to have to come up with two beer options, two wines, and a signature cocktail that uses Irish whiskey! And a LOT of heavy hors d'oeuvres that are good and at least faintly Irish. So please be thinking, as I will be calling on the GW peeps for help on that one, too!...See MoreRECIPE: Apple Cidar Vinegar Diet
Comments (89)Hi guys! I'm 18, and I've struggled with weight all my life. I stumbled across this on youtube, and googled, and found this page. Needless to say, I'll be starting this tomorrow. I have tried clean eating, hour workouts 6 days a week, along with aerobics that I was doing at school at the time. I only lost 6 pounds.. maybe. I'm hopeful this will work. My physical therapist's husband had suggested I take a shot of ACV before every meal to help with acid reflux, and it will help with a lot of other things. I have many health problems, so I'm hoping this will help improve my quality of living. I will try to post regularly, if anyone comes across this and wants to see any results. My current weight is 238 pounds. I want to get into the 100's. All of my doctors tell me to lose weight, but never understand that I've tried. So I'm giving this one a try!...See More- 8 years ago
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