size and direction of island? Helllllp please!
This kitchen is a great size, but I’m dying for a bigger island! It’s currently 48" wide by 79". We bought 2 jumbo slabs (photo attached). I have questions...
1. Does the veining have to go the same direction on perimeter and the kitchen island? Our GC says yes. If this is the case then my next question doesn’t matter...
2. The jumbo slab is 65 inches wide which means I’ll only be able to extend the island out (not left because I still want a kitchen table) about 10 inches. So then it’d be 58x79”.
I’m just not satisfied w that size Before I knew dimensions of slabs I wanted it to be about 18” bigger. So that would get me to 66”x79”. There is still plenty of room in the kitchen with it being this size.
To get it to the size I actually had envisioned, without a seam, they’d have to turn the slab so veining would no longer go the same way as the perimeter.
I guess the veining could go the same way if they did a seam, but I worry that may look bad and obvious since the quartz is white. Thoughts?
Here is another design question if I go larger - if I do get my counter to 66”x79” (I know this isn’t a standard size) will it look weird that the counter chairs are on the shorter side? Does that make sense? I’ll only be able to get 2 chairs in there, but when sitting you’ll be on the shorter side of the island verses chairs being on the longer side like a traditional island. I hope that makes sense.
I’d really appreciate the feedback on that!!
I attached the kitchen as well as what the island inspo is - so they’ll do it grey with the molding like in the attached pic.
If you made it to the end of this, I love you! I hope this makes sense....
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6 years agoI am not sure the size you are hoping for will fit in that kitchen. Need measurements of the kitchen. A island the size you contemplate is really too big for easy use. I have 110" long island and 56" wide and I have trouble (short girl syndrome) reaching across the slab to clean it. I think my kitchen is larger than yours, so you probably need to pull back on size to the size of a jumbo slab. 120x60 is a large slab. As to stools, the height of the stool needs to suit the height of the countertop. There are nice "adjustable" stools that might meet your needs. Make sure the island is designed with proper supports for the granite. Oh, on the veining--yes, the veining should run the same direction on front and back countertops. However, you might want to consider your peripherals countertops in a solid color to go with your granite slab. If you can post the size of this kitchen, I can do a scale drawing for you and help you realistically plan this island. If you still want to go "big", you will need two slabs and the only way this can look good is with what we call a "bookmarked" set of granite or quartzite slabs. Think $$$$
This is "bookmarked" quartzite. It is cut in slabs from same block but back to back so you can get the matched look. Expensive choice and installation and fabrication costs extra too. Hope this helps.
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6 years ago@Flo Mangan I meant to add this photo to my response - these are all the dimensions I have. Just from when the GC was there
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6 years agoI have done a "guesstimated" concept sketch for you using the photo and estimating standard cabinet sizes and then sizing your island accordingly. Here is what you CAN do, make the island longer and then extending into the adjoining room a banquette and table. Not sure this is doable because I don't know what is on the other side of the kitchen. You need a minimum of 42" between island and peripherials for enabling two people to work and pass each other, appliance removals and replacements and repairs, etc.
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6 years agoI am pretty good at estimating sizes because I have done this so many times, but you really need some accurate measurements. A couple measurements to keep in mind. You need 3' from edge of a table to another object for chair-push back space. The photo you posted show that when you push that chair out, you would be close to hitting the existing island. Now photos can be misleading, so I am guessing again, but trying to let you know that your "assumptions" and "imagination" could be very different than reality. If that space is available in front of a proposed island, that would be fantastic! You would love the look and functionality.
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6 years agoAshley, there is a fairly recent discussion about countertop supports on here (I saw it yesterday) that you should read. Never assume the GC knows what to do for proper support.
Are you deadset on keeping a table in the space? I have a large island (54"x120ish") that we use one end as our "table". I love it! We are able to fit 6 counter stools around it. 2 on end and 2 on front and back. The pic I'm attaching shows one on end but we can get 2 in there (just a little tighter).
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6 years ago@ Flo Mangan I do think the pictures are deceiving as the space is larger than it looks. I attached 2 pics w the previous owners chairs and tables, just so you can see for reference
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