Is Souvenir de la Malmaison slow to start, or just mine?
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Comments (60)Mine is the climbing sport. This is her at the end of her Spring show. I am in south Louisiana and she is my absolute favorite of all my roses. I don’t care if she balls. There are SO many blooms that don’t that it doesn’t matter if some do. I adore this rose. She has few thorns and laughs at pests and diseases and her canes are dainty. shes not like New Dawn. She’s very pliable. I just love her. A happy easy going floriferous old fashioned cabbage rose who doesn’t quit. Her foliage is a lovely green too....See MoreMystic Beauty vs. Souvenir de la Malmaison
Comments (8)my post disappeared into the ether ...lost in space.... somewhere out there. I can't compare the two, although after having read rave reviews of it, about four years ago, I decided I just had to have 'Souvenir... Well, after about 4 years, (grafted) its still a little tiny thing & not even nearly like a small shrub! Was it supposed to have big blooms & some wonderful scent? It's cute, at the least... I'd much rather have my 'la Reine Victoria' back alive again, after about 20 years, killing it in the move, any day of the year, by comparison.... Of course, the SDLM made the transition just fine & it's o.k. as I'm a bit nostalgic & was suffering from nostalgia, real badly, so it came along for the ride. But I'm happy with the little thing , even if less than what you'd call a tiny shrub, if even that.. Just never figured out exactly what those rave reviews regarding it, was all about it. Was it supposed to be loaded with fabulous blooms with an other worldly scent? more like dainty... lol...See MoreSouvenir de la Malmaison and its Sports in Zones 7? - 9
Comments (12)Kinda off-topic, but I think the lines between some of the Bourbons and the Teas are very blurred, and SDLM is a case in point. True, it was bred from a Bourbon crossed with a Tea, but so many Teas (and a few Bourbons) had similar parentage. I wonder why SDLM was called a Bourbon while others are called Teas -- its flowers are very Tea-like in shape, its dislike of severe pruning is very Tea-like, and its blooming pattern is very Tea-like. I mean, think about the earliest Teas from China, and think of the big and burly Teas that came later. Where did they get such an impressive gain in stature? From Bourbon heritage. 'Adam', often incorrectly cited as the first Tea bred in Europe, was bred from 'Hume's Blush' and 'Rose Edouard'. Those robust-caned Teas aren't that way because of extra infusions of 'R. gigantea'. Those are Bourbon canes with extra "bloom at every point" genes from the older Teas. And as a little reminder of their mixed heritage, there are some triploid Teas still with us ('Papa Gontier' and 'Lady Hillingdon' come to mind). And perhaps that explains the discrepancy in size for SDLM and her sports in colder areas -- Teas hardy enough for zone 6 would also not get as big as they would in zones 7 through 9. I notice from watching the "classic" Bourbons grow that they push out a new cane, and it just keeps growing and growing before it starts to flower and branch off. Chinas and Teas, however, don't do that. They grow a little, branch and flower, grow a little more, branch and flower, etc. It seems that the Bourbon heritage in the larger Teas allows for more substantial canes to form, but they still follow the "grow a little, branch and flower" pattern that makes them slow-growing where Winter cuts them back every year -- unlike the Bourbons, which don't seem to flower until the cane has finished growing, so they can more quickly build in size. Just some observations I've been making.....carry on. :-) ~Christopher...See MoreQuestion about Souvenir de la Malmaison
Comments (27)Hi, everyone. Thank you all for responding. Yep. I was thinking it may be from a root stock too. The other bush has been run over to and it's starting to grow to but it's just now a few inches tall. So I have no clue what these are. The vigorous one in picture has some good fragrance but Nothing like it use to have. It is a very pretty shade and the buds are growing along the entire stems like in pictures of a rambler. If it keeps growing at this fast of a pace I will be thrilled. I've always wanted very large bushes that are exceptionally fragrant....See More- 6 years ago
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