Sources for the 'real' Reine des Violettes
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Comments (13)Jim, I'm glad that you posted this. A few years ago I had ordered a bunch of roses (mostly gallicas and 2 DA's) from Pickering...and they ALL did great. Then, the next year, having been so impressed, I ordered a bunch of DA's from them and a few other roses, and most of them never took off. I lost probably about 23 out of 25. I thought it was that they were DAs that just didn't like my garden, but I'm now wondering whether the shipment was just bad (perhaps frozen?) I may have to try some DAs from them again. It seems too coincidental that the first two DAs did so well, and nearly all the others didn't even make it through one year. Incidentally, the two that did well, and continue to flourish, are The Alexandra Rose and Compte de Champaigne. Reine des Violettes was ordered in the "bad" order, and NEVER took off...it's dead as can be. Robert...See MoreReine des Violettes is reblooming!
Comments (5)Hi Patrick! Good for you! This can be a beautiful rose. So fragrant! I won Dowager Queen in late September 2003 with it when Arlington Rose Foundation held the Fall National Rose show. Totally amazing! The first year I had pruned it very hard and it did not bloom much in spring, so made up for it in the fall. In later years, it did bloom some in spring, so rebloom was sparser. This year it is doing better. It is so dry here, this year, I am watering lots. Kathy...See MoreReine des Violettes impostors...
Comments (14)H'mmm. Today has not been suitable for gardening - wet, wet, wet, overcast and windy, not at all photo suitable. Blowing a minor gale out there right now. I have emptied, cleaned, dis-assembled, moved, re-assembled and re-filled a wardrobe and a tallboy, so today has not been a dead loss. Also started some apple jelly. I have tried the foliage test before - both of mine smell resiny/pepppery. I feel that there is a difference in the foliage but I need to bring it in and look at it against white paper to be sure, or to even have the slightest hope of articulating the difference. My impostor is pretty thorny. That's interesting Jeri, about your imposter being a repeater. I don't think I have the centifolia impostor, I'm pretty sure the leaves on mine are not that shape....See MoreReine de Violette Color and Bloom Size
Comments (30)That did occur to me also, Christopher. But the description was written by Charles Lemaire, an eminent botanist, who vouches that the illustration is an accurate depiction of the rose. That same illustration is then referred to in the same German publication that says the rose has a red center and no thorns. I think that's weird, but I also think it points to the primary source as being considered reputable. And it seems unlikely to me that the description and illustration would be published without feedback/ correction from the breeder, given that this was a cultivar being advertised for sale for the first time. And the publisher of L'Illustration horticole was also selling the rose- introducing it in Belgium. If you can find a retraction or correction, that would indeed be of interest. But assuming that you doubt the original description, the question is: does the modern version of RdV have a red or crimson center? No- so far as I can see, it has a white or whitish center. So either you go with the very first description and illustration introducing a red-thorned 'RdV' to the world, or you go with the thornless rose with the red or crimson center. Neither of these early descriptions quite fit what is in commerce today. At this point, I'm mostly curious about why RdV disappeared to the point that her absence was lamented in the 1904 Journal des Roses, but she is now one of the more famous of the old rose cultivars. I think it is a false assumption that RdV has been popular and available continuously since her introduction in 1860. I want to search American catalogs (or any catalogs, but I seem to mostly only have access to American ones via the Biodiversity Heritage Library) to see who carried it and when. I know that Peter Henderson Nursery of NYC carried RdV from 1872-1880 (and possibly before, but the earliest catalog I find is 1872). Her absence from other catalogs is remarkable. She is also listed in the 1880 Baudriller catalogue (Angers, France). I'm hoping to get a better feel for who liked her, who sold her, did she really disappear and- if so- when did her 20th C. revival begin, and who began it? If anyone knows of a free online source for old British/European nursery catalogs, I'd appreciate a heads up. Virginia...See Moreac91z6
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