Can anyone help? X

Darren,

I just sent an email to Palatine Roses, Ontario, Canada, asking them if they ship to England. Who knows? Perhaps Canada being a Commonwealth Nation there is a way. I'll let you know, ASAP. Still brainstorming for other avenues. Don't give up!

Moses

Darren,

In the meantime, while waiting for a response from Palatine...

I just looked through the listing of photos on HMFR (Help Me Find Roses....have you been to this website? a rose grower's great tool), and people are growing Pope John Paul II all over Europe and elsewhere: France, Netherlands, Poland, Slovenia, and Spain; as well as in Australia and Hong Kong. It certainly should be available in England somewhere.

Moses

You have to look under 'Pape' or 'Jacsegra'..
French nursery

..they're out of stock at the moment, in any case..

Moses, you’re so kind to email around for me. Very thoughtful. Thanks. I’ll give HMFR a browse.

marlorena - ahh I see. Can’t seem to find it in stock anywhere in the uk. How odd. It’s not an easy rose to find. Not giving up!

As far as I know it's never been marketed here, I've never seen it. I'm not sure, but there may be a problem with the name..

Your mum has great taste! This is one of the very best roses I have ever grown. Certainly top 3 if not top 1!

A rose so beautiful, it’s crazy that it’s not easy to purchase! I’ve literally spent hours looking on-line, to no avail :-/

Well, I have to take back what I said, as it is sold over here, I wasn't aware of that, but the only outlet I can find, which for some reason didn't show up for me yesterday when I did a search, is Thompson and Morgan, and is also sold through Tesco.

It may be out of stock with them also, though, but it would be worth enquiring when they will next have it available..

The only other outlets I could find in the E.U. were in Poland and Italy..

oh I see Van Meuwen had it too, why didn't I see these yesterday?.. must need new glasses, but these are not growers I normally buy roses from to be honest..

rose at T and M

Aw yeah I saw all those sources you mentioned, M, - and every site is sold out. I’ve emailed them all .... no reply from anyone yet. This rose has become a mission! Thank you for taking the time to look. Appreciate it.

My mission continues....

Moses,

im blown away by your kindness, going out of your way like that. Really, can’t thank you enough.

i’ll keep A look out and hopefully someone over in the uk will get it in stock.

huge gratitude my friend. Have a super weekend, :)

Darren, I hope you can find PJP II. I grew it, with other HTs, when it was first released when I lived in the western US. I’m glad to hear it is available in Europe, though. One white rose I wish we had available here is Jeanne Moreau. It supposedly lasts well as a cut flower, has great fragrance, and is disease resistant.

Darren, you are most welcome!

Moses

FINALLY GOT IT!!!!!!! Woooo!!!! So happy!!!!!!!

Darren,

Where'd you get it?

Moses

https://www.thompson-morgan.com/p/rose-pope-john-paul-ii/t55924TM

They finally got it back in stock.

Mum was so pleased !

We bought 2. How far apart should they be planted to get the look of 1 larger bush?

Darren,

Pope John Paul II has a slightly spreading habit of growth, not bolt upright and narrow as is the habit of many hybrid teas. I would plant them on two foot (60 cm.), centers.

That's how far apart I would plant own root PJPII. If they are grafted I suppose they will grow bigger, so if they are, about 70cm. apart should be fine.

I hope you are awed by the bloom as much as I am.

Moses

Thanks so much, Moses. I shall do just that. :) I ordered bare root. Hopefully will get to see blooms this year?

Hope you’re having a great week?

Darren,

It would be a first if PJPII DID NOT boom for you, and bloom abundantly this growing season! It is a blooming machine for me, and for many others. The HT exhibition form of the big bloom is surreal....almost too beautiful to be real.

With all the interest in the quartered, rosette blooms of the Austins, Meillands, and Delbards, an exhibition form, classic hybrid tea rose bloom is still a wonder to behold.

Your mum is very fortunate to have you as a son....few like you!

Thank you for your wishing I have a great week. It's progressing wonderfully. Today is a special election day in Pennsylvania for a Senator who resigned right in the middle of his term in office, because of getting caught in a great hypocrisy. I get to chose his replacement...hope my guy wins.

Moses

Moses

I hope you got the results you were hoping for :)

Sadly I got an email from the retailer to say Pope rose was out off stock and refunded me :,-/

Have a great Sunday my friend.

D.

• Darren,

What!

I have read* that the reason Pope John Paul II is not carried by the big rose houses in England is because its name brings anti-Catholic sentiment forward among some Englishmen. Such individuals would not purchase it for that reason. This lovely rose's name causing such a rejection leaves me dumbfounded. It was commented also that Thompson & Morgan, mostly a seed merchant, is the only source of it in England, an unusual situation.....a seed company selling a rose plant, and a controversial one, to boot.

What further amazes me is that the decline in Christianity in Europe, churches becoming historical, architectural museums and tourist destinations, instead of houses of worship, would indicate to me that the populace's sentiments would cause them to care less about a rose being named in honor of a deceased Catholic patriarch.

Sorry for your setback. Be patient Darren, and continue trying very hard to get Pope John Paul II. It is worth the effort. Try to get it grafted, if at all possible. I believe grafted, it will grow more vigorously, produce bigger and more abundant blooms.

Moses

*refer to the post on the Antique Roses Forum:

-this post is in regards to the Austin rose, Roald Dahl-

"I, for one, will NOT be ordering the new Ronald Dahl! EVER!" posted by David Beck. See Marlorena's (Marlorena-z8 England), response, posted Friday March 16, 2018.

Hello Moses -

My search continues !

its crazy - and I totally agree with you.

happy Easter!

Not that this has any relation to its availability, but T&M is a huge company similar to J&P, Burpee or Springhill so it's not surprising they carry other plants or have the rights to particular ones if that is the case here. Whatever the reason, it's too bad.

Darren, I was hoping you will get the rose. Don't give up. Can you be on waiting list? I am sure you will get it soon besides it is only Spring. Cheer up:)

You are such a sweet boy to get this rose for your mom and you will. Be on waiting list and still look around. You will get it.

Happy Easter :)

Jin