Kitchen layout questions for new construction
Hi there,
I'm a long time lurker on the GardenWeb forums, and so appreciative of all the kitchen wisdom shared here! We are at the point where we have a design for our new home (developed by ARG over on the Building a Home forum) and are ready to have construction drawings done. I would like to get some input on the kitchen layout before we move ahead with the drawings. We are planning to use IKEA cabinets, and possibly Semihandmade or Scherr's for door and drawer fronts. Here's a link to the full floor plan post:
Link to full floor plan on Building a Home forum
Below is a close up of the kitchen area where I've crudely Photoshopped in the dimensions. I'm not interested in major moving of walls/windows or rearranging living spaces. However, we may be able to give some inches here or there (i.e., there is some flexibility in the dimensions) if it will result in a better layout.
Windows over sink face East. We have south facing windows on the bottom of the dining room. Fridge, range, and sink stay as drawn? Dishwasher to right of sink. I was envisioning a cabinet run along the left side (8'6" wall). My thoughts were that I could put a coffee station under the small window on that wall. To left of small window would be tall pantry units, with one containing a microwave shelf. However, if entire width of kitchen is 18', and I have 4' aisles, that means island will be 6 feet wide at most. The space between between the pantry cabinets and island is also a traffic path from mudroom, so I'm guessing we should increase the aisle to at least 4'6" to accommodate the traffic? So that shrinks the island even further. Is that too small to be an effective prep space? I'm used to a larger island. I had also thought about a prep sink in the island to accommodate multiple cooks in the kitchen, but I'm concerned about including a prep sink given the island size. My husband thinks we should increase the length of the kitchen to 19' or 20', but we've been fighting to keep square footage down, and I don't want to spend the square footage needlessly.
We have three kids (may have more) and frequently eat breakfast at the island. I'd like to be able to have island seating on two sides of the island is possible. However, the dining table is right there, so maybe we can make do with less island seating. Most meals will be at the dining table. I'd thought about maybe a peninsula instead of an island, but don't like closing off the easy access to the covered patio (we grill frequently). We could also eliminate the pantry run along the left wall, but concerned about storage.
Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
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Comments (9)For the overall here[it's a social floor plan-casual] I'd do a U kitchen-sink wall is the middle of the U. Reason is that people migrating in from deck and from family and dining area can use the right arm of the U as a peninsula with stools. Great spot for seating. You'd still be able to have 8 feet width inside the U it appears. Place fridge on lower wall backing up to closets...sink and range inside U-sink about where it is,maybe center the windowscape and range on wall that backs up to corridor over to the left. The island as you have it isn't desirable to me. the range on the left wall means at the peninsula you can do something more visually appealing with pendant lights/back side with panels or whatever to work with some stools and also have just a little separation from the cook's part of kitchen. this will be appreciated I think especially if the dining zone is the only one you are planning. Activities at the range with lots of counter around it will be a little more removed from the middle extremely open part of kitchen where you are suggesting it. You could plumb a small 2nd sink down on lower wall with fridge-perks to that as well.....stylish little zone with added pendant light carrying the theme from peninsula....See MoreNew Construction - L shaped kitchen with island questions
Comments (10)AnnKH, thank you for sharing how you set things up. This gives me a great starting place. Like you, and others I've read on various posts, I'm wondering about that lost corner. I need to invent something that can pop up from thecorner - like a raised shelf that hides beneath the counter - a hidden compartment that can use that no mans land corner space. In our previous house we had a super susan at about a 45 degree angle in a sort of corner. It worked really well. We kept things like strainers, vegetable steamer basket, cheesecake pans etc. there but I liked my drawers so much that, like you, I'm really considering the drawers instead. In my head I have a plan for drawers and stand up dividers for things like baking dishes, muffin tins, etc. This is sort of scary and yet SO exciting at the same time. Mama Goose - Ohhh I'm drooling once again. I often think of chalk board back door and that sign, too. That was SO cool. I have photos of her kitchen saved on my phone I like it so much. I also like 2 fishies kitchen! Those are my 2 favs! I've seen other kitchens with baskets but I've never stopped thinking about HER baskets in the island. So, that's on my want list! I'm off to make tarter sauce for blackened catfish. Who wants to join us for dinner? Sunny...See MorePlease recview New kitchen layout, new construction.
Comments (33)After seeing benjesbride's idea to add a door, this would be a more direct route to the pantry, and it preserves the sink/pass-through. The door is narrow (30"), and would have no facing, and the counter overhangs would be flush with the edges. I have a similar sized door between the kitchen and LR,--the cabinet edge is flush with the door opening, and the counter wraps the 'facing'. We have a lot of traffic through that opening, but no problems. If you use 1" overhangs, the total length of the wall would be 123". You would also have the option of a wall oven, leaving drawer space under a cooktop, and eliminating a blind corner. That space could also be used for a coffee center. Disadvantages would be that anyone coming from the mudroom might cut through your work space to get to the LR, although taking the hallway would be the same distance, and the wall oven step-back space is tight. If you skip the wall oven, that would be perfect spot for a KA mixer. :) With no upper cabinets on the range wall, I gave you a 42" hood to help capture steam and grease....See MoreHelp with kitchen layout for new construction
Comments (16)ssdarb - thanks for the perspective from a fellow mom! We just have one daughter, so dealing with a crowd on a daily basis isn't common, but we have tons of extended family in the area and usually have dinner guests at least once a week, so we do need to think about ability to scale up. And once or twice a year we have a big party with 75+ people (what can I say, my husband is an extrovert!) but for that we bring in a caterer so I don't end up trapped in the kitchen all night. I'll have to think about #1. Not sure there's any way to avoid it altogether (and it's less of an issue with a small family), but worth putting some thought in. That is definitely an issue with my mom's kitchen - the cooktop and main sink are across a 4' aisle from each other, and the fridge/freezer is one one side and the microwave is on the other. It can get a little crazy when the whole family is over (especially when a small child decides to wander through. :-) As for #2, if we used the bar stools for eating, I think the arrangement you have sounds awesome. We don't eat at the counter, though, just the table (I think I can count on one hand the number of times I've sat at our current counter to eat in the 7 years we've been in our house, and I never did at my previous house, either) so they're really just there to make it easier for my daughter (and a friend/cousin or two) to help or keep me company while I cook. On #3, I really don't want to give up the view while cleaning up option! We're on almost 20 wooded acres that back up to one of the largest urban parks in the country, so the view out that direction is straight into woods that will always be preserved because of the environmental zoning. We're hoping to avoid uppers near the family room because the family room is vaulted, and we don't want cabinets ending into nothing at the far end. That said, I think that section bears looking at again to see how it can be arranged. #4 is important to us, too. My daughter sets the table most nights (but we have to get the dishes down for her) and often empties the dishwasher (but right now that mostly means handing me things to put into cabinets she can't reach). I love that she could do it herself with dish drawers. #5 Great suggestion. No coffee area needed for us, but I have to remember to plan for the tea setup - that's our caffeine of choice :-). Thanks so much for sharing your hard-earned knowledge and suggestions!...See More
mrschlab
6 years ago
mama goose_gw zn6OH
6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoI was thinking exactly what cpartist posted. You could even use 14" or 15" deep pantry cabinets, to allot a few more inches to the aisle. If you have no prep sink on the island, 6' should be fine, even generous, as a prep counter. My island is 3' x 5', and it's more than sufficient.
BUT, if you plan on having the kids help in the kitchen, think about an 18" prep sink on the island, to provide a primary prep space with a water source, then make the counter between the main sink and range the secondary prep area. I'd even move the main sink, and window, a foot south, to give you a little more space in the corner.
ETA, you can use an integrated cutting board over the prep sink, so it can be returned to counter space when needed.
mrschlab thanked mama goose_gw zn6OHmrschlab
6 years agoThanks for the help here. Appreciate the suggestions and also the comments on aisle width. I'm going to post a kitchen layout I've been working on. I haven't incorporated all of the suggestions yet, but wanted to get something down to work with. Still learning the software, so it's a little rough around the edges. Planning on all drawers for lowers (except on seating side of island) even though it's not indicated in the drawings. Because we're going to be using ikea cabinets, the 18-inch deep pantry cabinets aren't a good option. I could do the 15 inch deep version. Thinking about putting a microwave in the pantry cabinets (open shelf), and I'm concerned that won't work with the 15 inch deep pantry cabinet? In the drawings I'm posting, I've got 24 inch deep cabinets along that wall. I've also increased the kitchen width to 19 feet. In all of these configurations, I have about 7 feet between the edge of the island countertop, and the edge of the dining table. I've added some notes about where I think things might go, but I have no idea what would work best for prep sink, trash location, etc. One thing I love about my current kitchen is that I can grab clean plates and silverware out of the dishwasher, swivel without even hardly taking a step, and put it all away. I thought about turning one of the cabinets that is on the seating side of the island, and swiveling it to have drawers facing the sink cabinet wall. Would that look weird? Also, I am used to a longer (but not as deep) island. Am I going to miss the extra length? Especially if I am also breaking it up with a prep sink?
Please let me know if this is hard to read. Thanks so much!
(1) close up of first kitchen plan
(2) Same as above, but including mudroom leading to garage:
(3) An alternative island option, and sink moved further south (oops, just now noticed I forgot to move the windows down with the sink):
mama goose_gw zn6OH
6 years agoI like the island in the first plan, but since 24" is the NKBA's recommendation per seat, the two end seats might become a little crowded as the kids grow.
I like the second plan perimeter--especially the increased prep space between the sink and range. I have a very similar plan, with 36" on the sink side of corner, and I would want no less. You will find yourself doing more prep in the corner, because of the water source, than on the island. I usually do cooking prep in the corner, and save the island for bigger projects, such as making noodles, rolling dough for pies, canning process, etc.
With the DW on the end, you could turn the island drawers, and keep all dishes across from the sink and DW. The pull-out could be used for glasses, kids' cups, or foil/plastic wrap boxes.
cpartist
6 years agoToo many narrow drawers that will hold nothing. Here's what I'd do:
Move the base 24 on the island to the end.
Add a prep sink next to that and next to that add a 36" base cabinet.
Move the trash pullout to the right of the cleanup sink.
I would move the stove down so there's an 18" cabinet between the fridge and the stove and have the 24" cabinet to the right of the stove. That will give you even more room on the perimeter for prepping.
If it were me, I wouldn't do a corner susan but one of those pull out corner cabinets and then I could make the cabinet to the right of the stove a 36" with drawers.
mrschlab
6 years agoAppreciate the help so much! Mamagoose, I like the idea of turning the cabinet to face the sink. Also agree about the too many narrow drawers, thanks for pointing that out cpartist. I have 3 banks of 36" drawers in my current kitchen, and love them. What do you think about leaving the corner empty so I can put drawers on both sides of it, instead of having a pull out? (Do those work well? Afraid of losing things in the deep dark corner of the cabinet.) Also, would it be better if I put trash right next to the sink? And what is the ideal location for a prep sink? Do I want it in the center of the island? In the corner?
I'm also currently trying to keep my upper cabinets all with 18" doors. Maybe I'm letting that dictate things too much, but I like the clean look, and the nice repetition at eye level.
Here's a couple more options. I left a dead corner in these, but I could easily add the corner cabinet with pullout, and scoot the sink further south again. Thoughts?
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And here's one where I've added yet another foot to the width of the kitchen. Buys me a bigger island with more seating. But are things too spread out now?
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cpartist
6 years ago
cpartist