I think there is a HUGE difference between what someone can or can’t eat and what someone wants or doesn’t want to eat. I will happily jump through hoops to make sure I have something for everyone especially a guest who’s on a restricted diet for medical reasons especially allergies. I think that is a simple courtesy that any one of us would want to do for someone in that situation. But I really have a problem when someone tries to impose their believe system on me and then expects me to conform at any cost.

Exactly Anglophelia. There is a huge difference between a true medical condition and lifestyle choice. Anyone who makes a lifestyle choice must be prepared to take full responsibility for that choice. Just my opinion but not eating off a surface because it merely contains something you ingesting is a psychological problem.

I have always wondered what vegans who have such superior "morals" about eating and using animal products would expect the world to do with all the existing animals should the whole world suddenly decide to join them. Poultry will become extinct due to their predators. Livestock will forage for garbage and slowly starve to death. Or maybe the dream is to sterilize them all and let them die off under the care of hospice vets?

There would be no more pet food production. Say goodbye to all the kitties and your fake emotional support dogs. ;-)

If all animals raised for food were treated kindly, allowed to live in their natural habitats, with their natural food, and killed quickly and humanely, you would have a lot less vegetarians and vegans in the world. But the vast majority of animals live miserable lives and cruel deaths, in the name of profits and easy access to cheap meat, and that is what most of us protest and refuse to support with our money. I pay a lot more for eggs and dairy from animals that are treated well.

Dawn,

1. Most Orthodox authorities hold that you can not use the same dishwasher for meat and dairy utensils, even if they are washed at different times.
2. To help avoid confusion, it is best to designate separate cabinets for the dairy equipment and meat equipment. If you have cabinets on two sides of the kitchen, you may want to put the meat on one side and the dairy one on the other to avoid confusion.
3. It is essential to have seperate sets of dishes for dairy products and meat. It is best to have two distinct colors, patterns or styles so that you will not be confused when you look at a plate or a fork as to whether it is for dairy or meat.

Wow, that seems like really extreme. I wonder just how healthy vegans really are. Do they need to take supplements, especially the children?

All diets have to be balanced. Vegans have to work a little harder but it's definitely possible, with the exception of B12, which is mostly attained through animal products. But I know unhealthy vegans, and I also know unhealthy omnivores. I get a kick out of people telling me a vegetarian diet is unhealthy when they eat fast food multiple times a week, drink several cokes a day and rarely eat a vegetable.

Vegans can eat junky diets like anyone else (soda, oreos and chips are all vegan), but they can also eat varied fruits, vegetables, nuts and legumes, and that can be much healthier than the standard American diet, which is meat and carb heavy. Any way of eating has to be well balanced to be effective.

I ditto what Chi said. It’s possible with numerous substitutions. They also have vegan restaurants that cater specifically for the vegan diet.

I was a pescatarian, which is a vegetarian that eats fish. But my doctor took me off that as I still wasn’t getting enough protein.

I have never thought much about vegetarians or vegans before so was just reading a Bing search on it. I asked about children (vegan) as it says there could be a deficiency of vit, D , iron and also protein for growing children. I think being a vegan would be a lot harder. The potato chips surprises me as how would they know what kind of oil was used unless they made them themselves. One thing, I would think there wouldn't be anyone overweight.

I can see how getting enough protein would be a problem. Chi, how do you get yours?

Ali, finding alternative proteins its actually not a problem at all. Beans, Lentils, Mushrooms to name a few are all protien and actually a better protein for the body than animal meat is.

Je, it’s good that you stopped eating the fish. Not just because it wasn’t providing the protein you needed but because fish sold in stores is typically farmed fish and that’s not good. Just as farmers do with cattle or chickens, the farmed fish are fed antibiotics and are not kept in the best or cleanist of conditions. The only fish my husband’s doctor suggests he eat is wild caught Alaskan Salmon. He incorporates holistic medicine into his internal medicine practice and nutrition is a passion of his.

Ali, like lukkii said, it's actually pretty easy, especially if you eat eggs and dairy. Most plant foods have protein. I think people vastly overestimate the amount of protein humans need. I'm actually starting a keto diet soon which will be challenging. It's very low carb, moderate protein and high fat.

High fat?! That might kill you if you’re a senior...., make sure you have someone check on you twice a day, just be safe.

Thanks lukki and Chi. Lately, I am more interested because my friend's 14 yr old is wanting to become a vegetarian. She is concerned about a balanced diet.

I'm moving my post from the other thread to share here since the attempted hijack of Update On Vegan and Leather Seats. I post a fun video and one of the tag teams from Hot Topics just had to make it about present day politics.

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Interesting article and study discussed here. My personal observation of my vegetarian/vegan acquaintances fits this study too. Many have lots of general anxiety and other mental health issues. The real question to be addressed is do they change their diets because they are ill or does the diet have a causative effect on their mental health? My personal belief is that their pre-existing mental fragility makes them more susceptible to trying to fix things through diet and other woo methods. But without further, far more intensive studies, who knows?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201211/youre-vegetarian-have-you-lost-your-mind

Personally I stopped eating meat to save an animal or 2. I also thought it was eating healthier. However as stated above, being vegan or vegetarian isn’t always healthy because I turned to unhealthy snack foods. Bad.

Also, personally I got sick of beans, lentils & tofu.

I believe that anything we eat in moderation should be safe. So I try not to go overboard. I’ve actually lost 10 pounds in the past 6 weeks by controlling my portions & not eating where my stomach is gorged after every meal. I just love food & if it’s really delicious or it something I don’t make often, I tend to gorge. And psychology wise, I do eat to ease the pain of loosing DH. But I’m working on that too. It feels good while eating but then I’m miserable for hours.

Just as farmers do with cattle or chickens, the farmed fish are fed antibiotics and are not kept in the best or cleanist of conditions.

Not farm raised crawfish.

https://www.cajuncrawfish.com/how-we-grow-crawfish.htm

I'm moving my post from the other thread to share here since the attempted hijack of Update On Vegan and Leather Seats. I post a fun video and one of the tag teams from Hot Topics just had to make it about present day politics.

You're the one who shared a Sandy & Richard "fun video". I simply shared another. ;)

Exceptions to every rule of course,, I love crawfish, haven’t been to a boil in so many years!

Hello everyone has his or her own perspective, the claim that vegetarians and vegans or some sort of borderline personality nutjobs with physical ailments and deficiency reflecting their mental problems is baseless and untrue. And all you have to do to get your complete amino acids is eat a corn product and a lagoon product. Corn tortilla with pinto beans, succotash, cornbread and beans, etcetera.

I must ask what a "lagoon product" is?

JeCrigler, thank you for taking the time to answer my question about kosher kitchens.

You’re Welcome!

Legume product. The wonders of auto correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legume

My grandson is allergic to most legumes. He can eat green beans, but is allergic to peanuts.

Feeling full = ate too much.

Geez, I didn't know bone China was faux paux these days. Oh well, you can't please everybody!

What are you trying to say with "faux paux"?

Do you mean faux pas?

Stop it Elmer. Just stop it.

Ahem. It's"fox paws".

TBH, I'm with Elmer on this one. Don't use foreign words if you can't spell or pronounce them. You end up looking much smarter.

If one types *faux paux* into a dictionary it automatically corrects it to *faux pas* without slamming anyone. The dictionary knew exactly what the person was saying as the posters here also knew.

No need to point this stuff out.

It's Christmas time and it's snowing. Let's sing the song from Frozen. Let it go, Let it go!

**Turn away and slam the door, I don't care.**

Follow along folks.

I always spell it faux paux...oh well (chuckle)

I don't spell it at all. Haha.

Actually if you "google" it, it is spelled faux paux about 50% of the time. I have always said if you know what I am talking about?????????????

An English language dictionary isn't the place to look up foreign words or phrases. What an English language spell checker does is find what's close in English or English usage to what is entered.

Before making my comment, I looked up the phrase in Google Translate because I was unfamiliar with it. What it returned as the meaning was "fake". I don't know if that's right or not but I stopped there and it made the meaning unclear to me. So I asked.

In French, Faux means false (like true or false). Pas means step. Put them together as faux pas and you get false step=misstep=mistake.

It's not faux paux half the time or any other time.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/tags.php?tag=faux%20paux

https://www.yelp.com/topic/seattle-fashion-faux-paux

https://girlwithcurves.com/faux-paux

https://www.pinterest.com/Pualanastyle/what-not-to-wear-fashion-faux-paux/?lp=true

http://www.novafootandankle.com/blog/cotton-balls-an-ingrown-toenail-faux-paux

https://dailyevergreen.com/1005/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/a-homeless-faux-paux/

I could go on for pages more......

You've found multiple instances of use by people who don't know the phrase.

Finding mistakes, misspellings, and grammar errors from everyday people on the internet is simple, what you've done demonstrates that. You won't find the same on any newspaper, magazine, or other mainstream site where proper use of language is monitored.

The phrase "faux pas" to mean mistake or inept blunder is a French term, it's also used that way in French, and it's only spelled one way.

And my point was made and made well!

Here in south Louisiana we'd spell it feaux pas.

We had sneaux yesterday.

We geaux to LSU to watch the Tigers play.

Lighten up.

“The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.”
― Geoffrey Chaucer, The Parliament of Birds

This was "proper" English when he wrote it. You would correct him now. Lighten up.

The English of Chaucer's day is called Middle English. It's not the same language as Modern English, it's similar but very different. You'd no sooner check the spelling of Middle English words in a modern English dictionary than would you check the spelling of French words. Thanks for pointing that out.

Elmer, L-I-G-H-T-E-N U-P.

[INTRANSITIVE] INFORMAL used for telling someone to be less serious

Oh, lighten up, it’s not a matter of life or death.

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/lighten-up

I've said it before and I'll say it again, "being the grammar police would be a full time job". Who has the time and it doesn't pay very well either!? Don't sweat the small stuff and it's all small stuff...

Many of us complimented the OP on her class in not making a big deal about the behavior of her visitor. Sometimes, not making a big deal shows class. That goes for spelling errors as well.

Elmer isn't the only one that needs to lighten up.

OH MY GOSH!! I can't resist:

Elmer, can you say run-on sentence? "Finding mistakes, misspellings, and grammar errors from everyday people on the internet is simple, what you've done demonstrates that."

Grammar Police nabs the Grammar Police. LOL

OK, somebody slap me.

Folks come on....two wrongs don't make a right. Hahaha.

Elmer, you are supposed to laugh.

While written quickly, that sentence is fine. littlebug. Try harder next time. Or better yet, don't join the carping crowd.

(I should long ago have learned to not respond to people whose comments are made simply to bleat/argue, without adding anything to the conversation.)