Moro blood orange and nules clementine came this morning!
Amy (montreal, canada)
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Orange or similar in lawn -- need recommendation!
Comments (6)I am by no means an expert, but I would just add that I find that in-ground citrus trees do tend to do a little better around here (I'm in the Bay Area sunset zone 17) when you can occasionally give them a slow deep watering. I have a *bratty* Meyer that I just struggled with for a while and I think programmed sprinkler watering and the occasional hose was just not enought for the tree in summer. It really did a LOT better when I wouId just drag the hose over to it and turn it on so that would just drip for a few hours, maybe every 2 weeks or so in the summertime. I don't know if it was not getting enough water or if I was just leaching the soil but it really helped. Same for another in-ground citrus, which didn't look nearly as bad but it really took off with deep irrigation in our very dry climate (though that Meyer still kinda looks like cr**...). The other thing is that I have seen a few homes where they had lovely, old citrus trees (I would guess dwarf navel orange) growing in their front lawns, but both were in a little semi-raised planter kinda like a tree-ring but bigger and slightly mounded--without grass immediately around the trunk. So maybe try a little brick or other masonry in a ring and mound dirt to elevate it a little for drainage and keep the grass at bay like bencelest wrote. I like satsuma too, as well as Clementine--I think mine is Algerian, not sure. It seems to be an alternate bearer for me, but otherwise hasn't been particularly difficult. Satsuma is seedless but a very slow grower. If your summers aren't very hot ( does Santa Rosa get very warm? I think maybe a little more than here against the bay) you could think about Pixie mandarins too--my tree is too young to bear, but the store-bought fruit I had was fantastic and seedless. I liked it so much I bought a tree! Supposed to be good for coastal climates. HTH....See MoreA Northerner Looking for a Good Orange!
Comments (13)Well thank you, Westy, that is so nice of you to say :-) I have a love for gardening, and have a very special place in my heart, and my garden for citrus. I think it really is because I grew up surrounded by citrus. My dad cherished those old Washington Navel trees that the developer left in the yards of all the houses. The developer left them because my dad stopped him from pulling out all the trees. He convinced that developer that he'd sell more houses if he left lots of trees in the yards. They did, my dad was right, and we had Navel oranges coming out our ears, lol! Slopfrog, I'm a huge mandarin fan, too. I actually like them better than oranges. In fact, I'm eating one as I type - a Dekopan :-) And I have more mandarins than any other variety in my yard, eleven different varieties of mandarins: Pixie Clementine-Nules Seedless Kisu Frost Owari Satsuma Algerian/Clementine Gold Nugget Page Tango Nova California Honey Ponkan Manadrin Right behind mandarins for me are pummelo or grapefruit hybrids. I have a total of 8 grapefruits/pummelos and their respective hybrids: Rio Red Cocktail Melogold Oro Blanco Bloomsweet Valentine Pummelo Mato Buntan Pummelo Tahitian (Sarawak) Pummelo And, 3 more "distant relatives:" Wekiwa Tangelolo Ortanique Tangor Chironja Orangelo I have a pummelo, grapefruit or hybrid every morning depending upon what's ripe, or juice 2 :-) Love 'em!! I probably eat between 1 and 4 pieces of citrus every day when they're in season in my yard. In juice, out of hand, salads, and in so many of my recipes. Patty S....See MoreRed Nules?
Comments (7)The newly released Red Nules (pigmented version of Clemenules) from CCPP have exclusivity arrangement with Willits and Newcomb and Future Fruit, LLC. The way the patented Red Nules are executed is that only Willits and Newcomb Nursery can propagate the Red Nules, and only Contract Growers can plant those trees. The Contract growers cannot sell the fruits to anybody, but only to Future Fruit, LLC or to whomever Future Fruit decides to sell those fruits. This means that as a contract grower, you will never own the trees, even long after the plant patents have expired. So in effect, no contract grower can own the trees as long as the contract growing and exclusivity arrangement are in effect. But after the patent expires, I think it could be propagated by anybody and the contract growers are still stuck of not owning the trees in their land. Thanks to greedy lawyers. So at this point, this means that Future Fruit is the sole monopolistic dictator of whatever price they want to sell the Red Nules to the market, having made exclusive arrangement with UCR CCPP. If UCR CCPP are the patent holders of Red Nules, then they would have developed it and have not just grabbed it from other countries upon the prodings of any individual or company such as Future Fruit, LLC. In fact any imported fruit cultivars from abroad that are quarantined by USDA and UCR CCPP are in theory are not patentable by anybody in the US due to previous literature or existing plants. Except of course those individuals that developed those cultivars and wanted US patents. Another is that the patents could not be owned by UCR CCPP, unless UCR CCPP bought the plant patents. So I really doubt that Future Fruit, LLC have suggested to grab the Red Nules from anybody abroad and then have UCR CCPP own the patent. There would be a lot of previous literature about the cultivar and hence Red Nules would not be a patentable cultivar. So owning that Red Nules patent could only mean that either UCR CCPP bought the ownership to the Red Nules patent from someone abroad or they have really developed the cultivar. Most likely they developed the cultivar, and seizing upon the opportunity of how potentially hot the item could be, the lawyers of Future Fruit, LLC may have crafted such exclusivity agreement and "convinced" the University into signing with a promise of bigger royalty pay-offs. Much as I have great friends at UC and did a lot of volunteer work for its sake, and helping some funds to support the university, I abhor and hate these exlusivity agreements granted by publicly funded institution to the profit business enterprises. Us tax paying public who funded in part the UCR CCPP are on the fleecing end of this bargain. It is alright for university to own patents and earn funding from them to support the same cause for the benefit of the general public as our government are ever cutting off the research funding. They can collect patent royalties, but there is a limit that I'd draw the line here. There should not be exclusivity agreement promulgated by publicly funded institutions to the detriment of the demanding public. This promotes monopolistic anti-competitive behavior for increasing profits by leaps and unlimited bounds as greediness, and isn't that what got Microsoft into trouble?...See MoreHelp me with a lemon and orange tree
Comments (25)Okay, so you have enough room for 4 trees total. I would select a lemon, and orange and the Page mandarin. For the lemon, I would say the Lisbon will probably give you the shape you're after. It is more upright and dense than the Eureka. But, downside is, that is really is much more thorny than a Eureka, and the fruit tends to be inside the tree, as opposed to a Eureka, which bears its fruit on the outside of the tree. The Eureka tends to be more open in its growth habit, the Lisbon more upright. But shape can be changed by pruning. So, maybe rose gloves are in order :-) Both are very prolific producers, so you'll have lovely yellow lemons on your tree year round. For the orange, I would go with the Cara Cara because it's a navel for one, and because the flesh is pink, which is kind of cool. The Trovita is a nice juice orange, however, so it really depends on what you want for eating as well as for looks. The Cara Cara is better for eating out of hand. The Trovita better for juicing. Take into consideration what you want to eat, as well as for looks. You would then have a very nice citrus collection, and trees that will provide a nice, dense screening for you. Patty S....See MoreAmy (montreal, canada)
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