Trump's executive orders - healthcare

6 years ago

I'll be the first to admit I'm not an expert in the intricacies of the government. I do know that Trump has failed multiple times to dismantle the ACA with a Congress majority. He's now started doing it himself with executive orders. How is he able to just decide to change the laws on his own? Isn't that why we have a checks and balances system?

For those who are unaware, he did two executive orders. The first is to increase competition with insurance and allow people to buy insurance from other states. Plans can be less comprehensive and less expensive. The fear is that the young and healthy population will go for the cheaper, skimpier coverage and everyone with chronic or pre-existing conditions will be stuck with much more expensive premiums to get the healthcare that they need. Healthcare pools work best with the young and healthy population offsetting the costs of everyone else.

The second, signed last night, immediately takes away the federal subsidies for lower income health insurance. The concern here is that the middle class who doesn't qualify for subsidies will have their premiums increased to cover it.

To me, it's clear that Trump is mad he couldn't have his way so he's trying to make Obamacare worse, hoping that the American people will blame the ACA and not Trump, and he will be able to overturn it easier. I just hope people can see though this is for what it really is.

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Olychick

6 years ago

His base will suffer and blame Obama and Hillary. The rest of us will suffer and will do what we can to get him and his swamp outta there! ASAP

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Fran
6 years ago
The man is a bully and a con man. He hates Obama so much that he is doing everything his power to dismantle everything that the last administration accomplished. Trump is a very insecure man with no friends and no moral compass.
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Chi
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6 years ago
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It's appalling that he's willing to gamble on millions of people's healthcare just for his own agenda. He's hated Obama ever since Obama made fun of him publicly about being at the forefront of the birth certificate smear campaign. He was so vocal about Obama showing his birth certificate and he hates to be wrong.

Here's the video if anyone is wondering what I'm referencing. https://youtu.be/k8TwRmX6zs4
gmatx zone 6
6 years ago
DH and I were discussing Trump this morning over coffee and DH stated that it will take at least 8 years and probably much longer after we get rid of Trump before things get straightened out again. I think about there being things that we will not be able to "straighten out". Our country is in sore need of help, quickly.
User
6 years ago
last modified: 6 years ago
If I could, I would love to be more of an activist...

The problem with hiring a celebrity is that they're used to everyone telling them how fabulous they are. When they don't get that, they have temper tantrums.

It's so sad to me. Even sadder is that I don't find anything he does to be shocking. It's pretty predictable.

He's like Justin Bieber, but with power.

I agree with gmatx....It will take a lot of time to fix this.
Elmer J Fudd
6 years ago
He's acting with executive orders because Congress has been strong enough, so far, to fend off his nonsense. If any of these go too far afield, then you'll see action to hold him back.

It'll get worse before it gets better. It's stiff upper lip time.

(This unfortunate episode in US history will hopefully teach everyone of all political views a good lesson. People without relevant experience, and especially those who are too doctrinaire, shouldn't be elected to any job, most especially not for executive posts in government.)
ritamay91710
6 years ago
Hubby and I will be affected GREATLY by this. President Obama made it possible for us to have insurance for the first time in many years. If this clown gets his way, we will be without it again. We simply won't be able to afford it. There's no doubt in my mind if we just called the ACA, Trumpcare, he'd be fine with it as is. He cannot stand the mere mention of President Obama. Wonder where his supporters are on here now. I'd love to know their reaction to this latest autrosity.
jakkom
6 years ago
Unfortunately, it's been attempted before to increase competition by allowing insurers to sell over state lines. It hasn't ever worked and there's no reason to think it will work now just on Trump's say-so.

Ritamay, I'm sorry you and your spouse will probably suffer for this. I have friends who are in the same boat as you and they are very anxious/stressed. Not a pleasant time for any of us.
User
6 years ago
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Obamacare combines two things Trump hates: Obama and the verb care.

--Andy Horowitz
ritamay91710
6 years ago
Thank you, jakkom. The ironic thing is, many Pro Trump folks benefit from the ACA too, but they either don't realize it, or they would never admit it. A lot of people are in for a very bad wake up call.
lucillle
6 years ago
For all of those who continue to try to beat us down by telling us that this person is our president and that we should just 'get over it', I genuinely hope that you or your family do not end up with no insurance and a grim medical diagnosis of of one sort or another.

This is no parlor game. Real people, their children, their families, will be affected in the most tragic way if Trump succeeds in casting aside insurance subsidies.
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6 years ago
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Lucille

For all of those who continue to try to beat us down by telling us that
this person is our president and that we should just 'get over it', I
genuinely hope that you or your family do not end up with no insurance
and a grim medical diagnosis of of one sort or another.

This is no parlor game. Real people, their children, their families,
will be affected in the most tragic way if Trump succeeds in casting
aside insurance subsidies.

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He's already succeeded.

"The most immediate venue for litigation is a lawsuit initially filed by
House Republicans in 2014 arguing that the federal government Obama
administration was illegally funding the subsidy payments. They
prevailed at the lower court level, but that decision was appealed by
the Obama administration. The case has been in legal limbo since Trump
took office.

The Department of Justice filed a legal brief this morning
announcing its intention to stop the payments, which presumably means it
will drop the appeal. The Trump administration said it is prohibited
from making the subsidy payments without a congressional appropriation,
citing an Oct. 11 legal opinion from Attorney General Jeff Sessions, which argued that the text of the health care law should be interpreted strictly.

"Congress has the power of the purse, and it is up to
Congress to decide which programs it will and will not fund," Sessions
wrote. "When Congress refuses to appropriate money for a program, the
executive [branch] is required to respect that decision."

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/13/trump-end-obamacare-subsidy-legal-battles-243755
mamapinky0
6 years ago
So how will this hurt someone on SSI with state medical coverage suffering from a rare condition with no cure?
chisue
6 years ago
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This plays to Trump's ignorant base who bellyache about 'those no-goods down the holler' who are getting health care. Wait until it hits them that *they* can't afford insurance or health care.

There are *always* abuses of public funds. That doesn't mean you throw out all government programs.
User
6 years ago
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Actually, I don’t believe he is doing it for “his base” or anyone else. The reason I believe he’s dismantling anything and everything he can from Obamacare, the EPA, and our tax credits to our banking system, our international relationships (good and bad) and Immigration is so he can cripple us as a nation on every level. If you listen to his ignorant chatter and ramblings, it’s clear he has the mind set of a dictator. He questions the licensing of the media, he threatens to pull funding or tax benefits from those that disagree with him, he tries to retaliate against anyone he feels is against him. Look at what he’s doing to PUERTO RICO!!! If Congress doesn’t do something to impeach his *ss and soon, every single person in this country will be touched in one way or another by his evilness including his base (which I would have no empathy for!)
seniorgal
6 years ago
From the start I have been worried about the similarities to various dictators ie: Nero, Hitler, Stalin, The pattern is so similar.
LucyStar1
6 years ago
I have no sympathy for anyone who voted for Trump who loses their insurance.
User
6 years ago
Sorry, I will have empathy. They were conned by a snake oil salesman.
Chi
Original Author
6 years ago
I think he clearly demonstrated the kind of person he was well before the election but they chose not to believe it. Or still thought Hilary was worse, which I will never understand.
ritamay91710
6 years ago
Yes, Chi, YES!!!!
blfenton
6 years ago
It's important to understand that he has, since the day he was born, never had to answer to anyone. The trump organization is basically a sole proprietorship and he doesn't have any shareholders or a board to which he has to answer. He doesn't pay his bills, he uses bankruptcy as a business tool, and I doubt his employees mean anything to him. He makes his decisions with only himself and his wallet in mind,

He doesn't seem to know anything of the real world and I don't just mean politically I mean real life. He has never wondered where his next meal is coming from, he has never had to apply for a job, he has never had to be concerned about the quality of his children's schools, and he certainly has never worried about paying his medical bills.

Lowering premiums, widening coverage, providing healthcare to those with pre-existing conditions, means nothing to him. He doesn't understand the scope of any of the decisions that he makes and that they affect real people and that's because real people don't exist in his mind. He can't comprehend that fact.
LucyStar1
6 years ago
bifenton, much of what you said applies to Ivanka, too.
Elmer J Fudd
6 years ago
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I think most politicians at all levels have a degree of arrogance and "I'm bullet-proof, I can get away with doing (almost) anything" attitude. The higher the office - regional instead of local, national instead of regional - the higher the arrogance/ego factor. There wouldn't be so many scandals if not. He's not different in that regard but he seems to be more narcissistic and detached than most.

chi, I'm not sure the deciding factor was ultimately which candidate the public thought to be the better or worse choice, as you suggest. I think that entered into it - for me, that was a draw, no clearly better candidate. But more important, the 800 pound gorilla no one wants to acknowledge to this day, is that very many people found and still find Clinton to be loathsome. Repugnant. I do. I think many people didn't choose who they thought to be the better candidate but rather the one they personally disliked less. Trump was less known (though that's changing). Clinton was yesterday's news, on the shelf past the "use by" date. Many had simply seen enough of her. Also true for me. I didn't vote. I also don't support Trump but similarly wouldn't have supported Clinton had she won.
Chi
Original Author
6 years ago
Lol yes Ivanka pretending she understands what normal mothers go through. Being a high paid executive in her father's business and having her own business, having nannies and housekeepers. So relatable.

That being said, if she can make some real positive change, then more power to her. There are definitely areas for improvement, like parental leave.
lily316
6 years ago
The whole family are entitled asses, and the country won't recover for many many years. He was in my area the other day, and I just looked at these truckers at his rally and wondered how little they know about this charlatan. He's a modern-day snake oil salesman and a crude misogynistic cretin no better than Harvey Weinstein.
foggyj2
6 years ago
blfenton....my thoughts exactly. He has no clue about the real world, though he pretends he does. I often think about how he was raised. It answers lots of questions about his behavior.
User
6 years ago
I saw Ivanka doing an interview yesterday on tv and was so shocked at how swollen and disfigured she looks that that’s all I focused on.
Marcy
6 years ago
lukkiirish, could have seen Ivana rather than Ivanka?
chisue
6 years ago
Follow the money/power.

Who wants to see America in chaos?

Who hated world-wise Hilary Clinton and loved Donald Trump?
Embothrium
6 years ago
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Who...?

We have been told it's actually and mostly white men making more than $70,000 per year.

We've also been told Trump is a narcissist, which explains everything blfenton posted. The die was cast as soon as the Electoral College put him in power, and there should be no expectation of his personality disorder driven behavior changing anytime soon.
socks
6 years ago
Marcy, it could have been Ivana. She looked frightening in a recent interview. Those lips. She's as weird looking as her ex. Don't these people have professionals who help them with their appearances?
mamapinky0
6 years ago
Ok now its about what's on the outside instead of the inside..what's exactly wrong with her lips. They are full for sure which many actresses covet.
Marcy
6 years ago
Socks, I suggested it was Ivana rather than Ivanka because I saw the interview. I thought maybe that's who lukkiirish saw. She did look pretty rough around the edges!!! I agree with you that some need help with their appearance and the harsh miakeup needs to soften up!
User
6 years ago
last modified: 6 years ago
Oops! Sorry, I was referring to his first wife. Her work looks horrible.

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