Help: Fermenting peppers sounds dangerous
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Lactic acid fermenting thread #2
Comments (11)Turk, The pH is a little high for 11 days which tells me there was not a whole lot of fermentation going on. 22° should be an excellent temperature, but I have found that peppers like it a few degrees warmer. Dried kefir starter works great. Live kefir grains work better. And a sourdough starter works best of all. What's good about the dried starter is that it is presumably the same each and every time you use it. Peppers by themselves do not seem to ferment well. (garlic by itself is impossible in my experience) What I have been doing is adding other ingredients to the fermenting peppers. Onion, carrot, sour apples etc work very well and you will end up with a more flavorful and a lower pH result. A closed system is ideal for yeasts to grow if they are present in the first place and if the first stage of fermenting hasn't used up all the food. I'm finding that 2-3 days (depending on what starter was used) at 35°C and then 7 days at 25°C followed by 30 days at 7°C works for most everything that I ferment. The 7°C is 4 or 5 degrees colder than I would like, but my final stage refrigerator will only go up to 7°C. The final month at the coolest temperatures is where the real aging and flavoring takes place. The more complex flavors I mean. The peppers, onions, carrots, salt etc combination gives a very acceptable result in as little as 10 days. Remember... Tabasco sauce is aged for 5 years!! The canning jars & Ball Ideal jars that I use do not let a lot of gas pressure build up so a slight 'poof' is all I ever get and if am taking out of my final stage refrigerator I don't expect any. Possibly due to Charles' Law. When I use 5 oz woozys to ferment in I have to be careful when opening because they seal much tighter. And remember most of all that I am not an expert at this. Only been at it since September and my only worth is that I try a lot of things and document results so we can learn from my mistakes and successes. That kefir drink that you bought at market... why not pour a little into a jar and add some whole milk. Let sit for a couple of days at room temps and then test for pH. It might make an excellent starter and have more yeasts than the commercial brand. jt...See Morefermenting tomatoes question
Comments (11)Original poster question was about fermentation, not about canning. I believe approved reciepies are required only for canning. If you ferment dills, cabbage, tomatoes, or anything else and plan to keep it in the fridge, there are no safety concerns really. Thanks Olga. I understand it was about fermentation and not canning, but yes there are guidelines for fermentation from USDA just as there are for canning. Many of the older methods once used in the US as well as many of the methods used throughout Europe, are no longer considered safe by USDA guidelines. Not only is a specific salt:food ratio considered critical but also the manner in which it is done and how long it is exposed to room temperatures. FDA then adds that the pH should be tested and confirmed below 4.6 and tested for pH stability. No oils of course and only limited amounts of low-acid additives as they not only affect the pH but the amount of salt required. There are also guidelines for how long it is safe for refrigerated storage. Many of these changes came about as a result of the studies on listeria growth in fermented foods done in the 1960's. Of course, given the types of fermentation most practiced in the US (pickles, sauerkraut, and yogurt) we have specific guidelines for those items but only general guides for other foods. And as with the canning guidelines, everyone has the choice whether to follow these guidelines or not. I hope that clarifies what I was trying say before. Dave Here is a link that might be useful: USDA Publications - Preparing Fermented Foods...See MoreLactic acid fermenting
Comments (127)Hi Turk, Although there is always an acidic taste with lactic acid fermenting the original flavor of the vegetable always comes through. I've grown several paprika types from Spain and have started a very highly recommended hybrid (Paprika Supreme) this year, but have not fermented any yet. I chose nylon tule for my weight bags because I believe it to be stable and food safe. And that is also the reason I chose the glass beads. A much more convenient solution to weighting would be a plastic bag with water and some air in it. More and more I find myself not using any weight whatsoever because the starters I use are so active. If your liquid kefir drink hasn't been pasteurized or treated with preservatives it should make an excellent starter. I would put a few ounces into a jar, add some whole milk and wait 3 or 4 days and see how it ferments. You should get a nice sweet, acidic smelling result. The grains (curd) will be very small for some weeks, but will gradually grow in size. They do not need to be large for the mixture to work as a starter. Both the curds and the more liquid whey work well as starters. I always use a mixture of both. For my sourdough starters I use 2 parts pure water to 1 part flour. There are some excellent sourdough threads on this forum. If you do decide to try fermenting, please let us know your results. Regards, jt...See Morefermented cucumber problem
Comments (13)Believe me, those of us who have moved into the world of fermented foods have inevitably experienced a failure or two. It can be quite a learning curve. I sympathize with your family's health issues and your desire to focus on low-salt fermented products which retain as many of the original beneficial enzymes and bacteria as possible. Realistically, your best bet would be to assume these fermented products will have a life of 2-3 months (max) under refrigeration or quite cool temperatures. Since you're dealing with living organisms, it's not realistic to expect them to survive beyond their natural cycle. In that situation, I'd focus on "fermentation seasons" just like gardeners do with the foods they grow. So in the summer up to perhaps early fall you can ferment cucumbers. Plan a rotation of other live fermented foods, starting each several weeks before the previous product has been totally consumed. That means when the cucumbers are gone, you ferment sauerkraut. Other products would include kimchi, fermented turnips, soured mustard greens, Japanese radish pickles etc. etc. working through the winter months with varied vegetables and recipes as different foods become available. I'd recommend you pick up a copy of The Joy of Pickling and check out the chapter on Fermented Pickles. There's also a no-salt dill pickle in that book. The new edition is 2009 but if you're watching the budget, look for a used copy of the previous edition. Since you're not canning but focusing on live fermentation, the earlier edition will serve just fine. Also, there's one thread still on this forum for kimchi, numerous threads on sauerkraut and a thread on fermented green beans. Finally, if you go to this link you'll find a forum specifically attuned to your concerns. Wild Fermentation Forums. I hope this helps. Carol Here is a link that might be useful: Joy of Pickling...See More- 6 years ago
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