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Comments (120)Rebecca, There are all kinds of options. For example, you know those pop-up canopies you can buy for camping trips or tailgating or whatever? They have a metal frame and then you put the canvas top over it and tie it to the frame? I think it would be easy to take the frame of one of those and attach one-inch chicken wire to it. You could use zip-ties (which evetually will break from the UV exposure weakening them) to attach the chicken wire, jut taking care to attach it every few inches so the squirrels couldn't find a gap to squeeze through. The only construction involved would be to use wood framing to build in a door so you could easily enter and exit the cage. I use one of these frames as a trellis in the back garden with woven wire fencing attached to it so that cucumbers and vining squash can climb it. I merely left an opening with no fencing for a door so I can harvest from inside or outside of it since mine wasn't meant to exclude any varmints. I'm talking about canopies like this: Pop-Up Canopy If I were doing this, I'd put pressure-treated lumber around the bottom to attach the chicken wire to so that the squirrels couldn't squeeze underneath the chicken wire there. The canopy frame I use in the backyard is a 10' x 10' but they come in different sizes. Or, for a larger tomato-growing area, you could use the framing from one of those portable garages. The frame is about the same as for the canopies, but bigger and (I assume) likely is sturdier. Here's an example of a portable garage: Portable Garage I know I've seen this for lower prices at times than the one I linked---I just wanted to find a quick example. If you want a geodesic dome style, there's kits you can buy to do the framing. Often you can buy the hubs used to connect the PVC pipe online or buy starplates or something similar and then just have your handyman buy and deliver the PVC pipe or wood locally and built the frame. Strombergs sells the starplates and people use them to construct wood framing that then can be turned into the structure of their choice---everything from solid wood chicken coops to chicken wire-covered chicken runs or plastic-covered greenhouses. The starplates are meant for wood-framing, but there's similar hubs available meant for use with PVC or pipe framing. Starplate Building System One of the easiest ways to build a simple greenhouse involves building a high tunnel you can walk into using PVC framing or even cattle panel framing built into a hoop house/high tunnel shape. To make a fruit cage (more accurately, a tomato cage structure) you'd just use chicken wire for the covering instead of greenhouse plastic. You can do this! Or, you can get a handyman to do this and then you'd have a way to keep the squirrels off your plants. Kim, Oh, I play that sort of hide and seek with the snakes. With three people bitten by copperheads in my county last week, I've officially given up weeding for the rest of snake season. It just isn't worth it. Timeout sounds nice. I am giving myself timeout indoors on every hot day....so probably most of every day from now through the end of August. For the rest of July and August, all I will do is water and harvest. At some point, I'll pull out the excessive number of tomato plants (which are well-mulched and almost weed-free) that have been in the ground since March (whenever disease and spider mites hit a certain point, I'll take out those plants) and put fall crops in those beds. My two early tomato beds remain in production so far, and the interim bed of 10 tomato plants at the other end of the garden (planted at the end of April and meant to provide us with fresh tomatoes in between the time I yank out the 4 rows planted in March and the time the fall tomatoes begin producing) already has fruit breaking color. I should yank out those older, tired and increasingly sickly plants this week but that would require working outdoors in the heat for more hours per day than I intend to spend outdoors so I might not do it this week. I wish I could do it at night, but that's when the snakes are the worst. You know that it is too hot and I am too tired of dealing with it when I am contemplating pulling plants out of the ground just to give myself a break from having to deal with them. It is scary enough harvesting southern peas while just hoping no snakes lie beneath the plants, which are planted close enough together to shade the ground....eliminating weeds by shading them out but also providing dense shade that the snakes like. There's no way I am weeding anything at this point, and sometimes harvesting feels sort of iffy in terms of safety. All my muskmelons and crane melons are trellised, and so are about 80% of my icebox watermelons, so I can harvest those off their trellises easily enough without being too worried about snakes. Usually the only snakes that climb the trellises and hang out on the plant foliage are the rought green tree snakes and I don't mind them. Sometimes they startle me when I don't see them before almost accidentally touching one while harvesting pole beans or lima beans, but the green snakes themselves are very shy and not aggressive and all I have to do is take a couple of steps back and they quickly disappear, generally racing across the garden, through the fence and into the woodland beyond. Nancy, Sorry about the snake scare. I don't like having them in any building. Snakes are free to roam about 12 or 13 of our 14.4 acres as they wish, but they had better stay out of the house, garage, greenhouse, shed and garden. Even in the yard, if they will leave, we won't even shoot the venomous ones....but if they are determined to stay there where we and the animals are inhabiting the same space and they won't turn and flee, they get shot. We haven't shot a non-venomous snake this year, but if we had chicken or rat snakes getting into the coops and eating eggs or chicks, we'd shoot them if we caught them in there. I can tell when snakes are in the garden even if I am not seeing them because all the frogs, toads, lizards, etc. disappear and that aggravates me a great deal because those creatures help out a great deal with garden pest control. Cherokee Carbon is a hybrid cross of Cherokee Purple x Carbon, so if you save seeds from the fruit produced by these F-1 plants, you will have the F-2 generation. That means that you have no idea what sort of plant or fruit you will get. Generally in the F-2 generation, you will get a variety of results--and some of them might produce fruit that strongly resemble the original Cherokee Carbon and some of them might not...and it is possible that none of them will produce the sort of fruit you want. ("Life is like a box of chocolates....."). What you get has to do with the way the genes resort themselves within the hybrid plant's offspring. Some people have successfully dehybridized a hybrid through multiple generations and eventually (often only after many generations of plants) ended up with a fruit that resembled the original fruit from which they saved the seed, but it is not easy to do. I have bought seed of supposedly stablized dehybridized versions of hybrids in the past and found that the plants and fruit I got were nowhere near the quality of the original hybrid plant/fruit, so after trying that for a couple of years, I went back to just buying the hybrid seed. I don't have garden space/time to waste on saving seed from hybrids and replanting it only to be disappointed in whatever fruit the plants produce. YMMV. I'm sorry to hear about your mom. It surely does sound like somebody dropped the ball in terms of notifying the family. I hope she makes a quick recovery and I wish she would come visit you while the yard and garden are so beautiful so she can see what you and Garry have done. Amy, The thought did cross my mind that returning the stockings did sound like a human activity. The thought that a person might be entering Rebecca's yard and stealing her tomatoes seems 1000 times worse than knowing squirrels are doing it. If they are watching how hard she is working to protect her fruit and returning the stockings, that seems vaguely stalkerish and disturbing. I had a lot of trouble with a mentally ill person who lived up the road from us (he passed away sometime within the last year, I guess) coming onto our property while I was in the garden (and other people had different sorts of problems with him), so I started locking the driveway gate all the time, whether we are home or not, and that stopped that. I don't have locks on the garden gates but could and would add locks if I thought someone was sneaking into the garden and stealing stuff. (People here know I will share produce with them if they want some, so why steal?) Jay, I'm sorry the rainfall is missing y'all. The 3+" we have received in July saved my garden from certain death (or at least postponed certain death for a while), but we remain in Moderate Drought and conditions are unlikely to improve during the summer months. I hope we don't go the rest of the month with no rain since that 3+" is more than our average July rainfall. I have little expectation of getting more rain any time soon. Despite the recent rainfall, our portion of our county has the highest year-to-date rainfall deficit in the state and that is so discouraging. I do think the OKC area in general is worse off than us though, because their rainfall for the last couple of months is much more severe than ours.....and the rainfall they got in March or April isn't helping them at all now. How much can I complain about drought? Well a lot, I guess, but it does no good. We spend most of each summer in drought so I should be used to it, but I just hate seeing all the green turn brown and production drop.....etc. I think the heat wouldn't be so bad if it would just rain every now and then. Well, dry heat doesn't feel as bad as humid heat so the benefit of rain is a two-edged sword. Dawn...See MoreOctober 2017, Week 4, Gardening, Life and Weather Changes Afoot
Comments (97)Amy, Tim and I were joking that the single red branch might be turning red because it is dying. I don't think we're right about that, but I have pondered why only one branch has leaves that have changed color. I do see quite a bit of red poison ivy in the trees along fence lines when I walk the dogs. I don't care if it is poison ivy (not our property, not our problem), I love seeing the red foliage. Seriously, though, on trees whose leaves turn red, those trees need the specific combination of cool nights and bright sunny days to make red leaves, and some years we don't get that combination so we don't get much red foliage. When one branch or one part of a tree turns red and the rest doesn't, scientists believe that the part turning red first just happens to have the perfect microclimate. I am not sure I buy that explanation. Why one limb on a tree that's 30' or 40' tall? Why not 2 or 3 limbs or 6 or 10? (sigh) Mother Nature has many mysteries we really do not understand. Today we went to the CostCo in Southlake, TX, because I wanted to go to Central Market just up the road a bit after that. I'd forgotten how gorgeous that specific CostCo's landscaping is. You can tell their landscape architect must have specified trees that have good autumn color because most of the trees planted in the parking lot medians have great autumn color already---mostly Chinese pistache is what is red there right now, but also some sort of cypress trees, sweetgum and maybe some Shumard red oaks (that aren't red yet) along the perimeter. I was looking at the pistache trees today and loving their foliage and red berries. Why haven't I planted Chinese pistache here? I'm going to plant 2 or 3 next spring. Amy, I still have a lot of Red Creoles that haven't sprouted yet. Also, Copra, Highlander and Red River. Those are the Dixondale varieties that store the longest for me. That's how I get in trouble, by the way, with planting too many---picking all those long keeping varieties means I have a lot to plant in order to have a lot to store---and then we have more than we can eat fresh even after I've made tons of salsa and chopped/frozen tons more. I need to have more discipline and pick just one long keeping type each year instead of several. I think Nelson is getting scarce because a lot of places sold out of it in 2017. I think Jung still had it the last time I was looking at seeds on their webpage. Who knows if the sellers that sold out in 2017 will have it again for 2018. It could be that there was a crop failure at the seed production level since many of the USA retailers all buy their seed through the same big wholesalers, who in turn buy their seed from overseas producers. Nancy, George (MacMex) lives near Tahlequah and he posted a photo on his FB page of a cabbage covered in frost (cabbage is fine) this morning and said the low there was 25 degrees, so he must have gotten some of your cold if your garden escaped relatively undamaged. Maybe the cold didn't make it quite to your place last night. We're supposed to be about 5 degrees warmer tonight that we were last night. We'll see. Rebecca, My garden is toast. It is okay, but I will miss the Lima beans our big lush plants would have been producing for about another month. I thought about covering them up, but the trellis is 6' tall and about 25' long and I didn't want to wrestle with getting row cover over that trellis and weighed down along the egdes in yesterday's wind. I hope giving your back some extra rest today is helping it, and the fact that OSU won couldn't hurt any. We had the game on the radio while we were out running errands and doing grocery shopping. You're like me. No matter how many seeds and containers you have, you always need more. It is a peculiar affliction we gardeners have, of always "needing" more. lol. I'll tell you what makes me feel old---my nephew has a 14 year old stepdaughter!!!! Yikes. I am not sure how that happened. I believe her mom was very young when she had her, but still......it seems like the nieces and nephews themselves were graduating from high school just a few years ago (been more than a decade though, even for the youngest one) and now one of them has a stepdaughter in high school this year. That sort of freaks me out. However, the rest of my nieces and nephews' kids range from newborn to about 10 years old, so they're all ages. Still, I do feel old age creeping up on me. Jacob, That pepper plant really is a champ, or is in a perfect microclimate. I miss the green already. Everything here has gone the color of wheat except for the tree foliage. I cannot believe the difference in how everything looks now compared to just a few days ago. Rebecca, There you go, you enabler you! Go, girl, go! If you and I are going to have far too many seeds (and you know that we do, and probably Amy too), then everyone else needs to have far too many seeds as well. Perversely, not that my garden is frozen, I want to plant something. I probably won't though. Maybe I'll sow some lettuce seeds indoors. It was nice today to walk wherever I wanted and to not have to watch out for snakes beneath my feet. If we have any days that go back up into the 70s/80s, I will have to watch. They don't necessarily go down for the count after the first freeze, and will continue to be out now and then either hunting for food or capturing heat by lying on concrete until we get good and cold and stay there. I'm watching TCU play Iowa State right now, and TCU has not had the lead yet in this game. I'm wondering if ISU is going to pull off another upset and beat the #4 team in the country. It could happen. I hope it doesn't. Dawn...See MoreOctober 2017 Week 5: Boo, Halloween Rain, Time To Turn Back the Clocks
Comments (63)Nancy, Gold is better than plain brown. Honestly, anything is better than plain brown. Around Thursday or so I noticed green leaves falling from some trees---they didn't even turn brown first. I think our trees are confused. Why wouldn't they be? Every week they are exposed to lows in the 30s and highs in the 90s. How they even know what season we are in at this point is beyond me. Currently it is 90 degrees at our Mesonet station and 89 at our house. There's reports of haziness and smoke in the air, but none of us are spotting any plumes of smoke, so I think that, as the rumored cold front moves across the state, it may be pushing smoke, fog, haze, smog, dust or whatever ahead of it. There was a 1,700 acre wildfire in the county west of us yesterday and it looked like smoke was hanging over the river this morning, so maybe it is that. Our gold foliage peaked around Thursday or Friday and is going to a dull golden brown today. I believe the hard freeze we had a few days ago has really impacted the tree foliage. Further south in Texas where the freeze didn't happen or at least was not as prolonged as it was here, they have better foliage color than we do right now. At least 3 or 4 of the red oaks in the yeard near our house have some red, and our big red oak near the road, which is my favorite tree, is beginning to show some red. It probably will peak next week though it is hard to tell in this weather. We turned back the clocks at bedtime last night so at least we'd be in sync with the rest of the area when we woke up today. It didn't matter what time the clock was showing---I woke up at the same time I do every single day, even if the clock showed it was an hour earlier. My body clock gets pretty firmly set on a time and doesn't really care what the clock says. It takes me at least a month to adjust to a time change and then before you know it, we're springing forward or falling back all over again. Jennifer, I'm glad you feel a little better today and hope you didn't cough your way through making the announcement at church. Hot and windy, hot and windy, hot and windy. It feels more like earliest September than early November. Chris sent me a text about a half-hour ago---a shooting at a church in Sutherland Springs, near San Antonio, TX. Word is several people were shot, including children, before police arrived and took out the shooter. He said he had heard 15 people were down, but I haven't seen any firm number on any media yet, and often early report are erroneous. It just seems to me like the world has gone mad---it is sad when people are not safe in church. And, in a state like Texas with open carry, it is unfortunate someone in that church wasn't armed because perhaps they could have stopped the shooter. It seems wrong to carry a gun to church, but we cannot kid ourselves---these shootings can happen anywhere any more. I'd like to be working in the garden, but all the swarms are still out there---Asian lady bugs, wasps, bees, yellow jackets....so I'm indoors. Oh, and the fire ants and harvester ants all are out and scurrying around. I guess maybe they are busy storing up provisions for winter. Dawn...See MoreDecember 2017, Week 1, General Garden Talk/Discussion
Comments (96)I'm so far behind I cannot catch up. Yesterday was a fire department day all day long, and I fear that much of today will be the same. I'm not complaining, as our participation in the VFD is a choice we make and all the firefighters in all the FDs are our brothers and sisters. We may be 14 separate departments in this county, technically speaking, but we also consider our selves one big family---one big department---the Love County Fire Department. I never knew I'd be part of such a huge family of people who would, literally, walk through fire for one another. Yesterday was our Christmas parade in town. How did it go? I have no idea. At two minutes until parade time, our VFD and two others got paged out to a grass fire slightly east of Marietta. Two of our firefighters grabbed their bunker gear, jumped out of the engine, and raced to our station in someone's personal vehicle to pick up a brush truck and respond to the fire. The rest of us were going to follow as soon as we got through with the parade, which start to finish, only travels a few blocks through town and takes about 5 minutes. Since we were near the start of the parade lineup, we knew we'd whizz through town quickly and be on our way. And we were. Our truck seemed to please the children---tons of lights and a loudspeaker playing a song they loved and danced to as we passed them. That's all that matters to us---that the kids were happy. As we were making the short trek down Main Street, our pagers went off again because the grass fire was igniting a home, RV and there were other structures (like sheds, etc.) in danger. As soon as we could turn off the parade route, we stopped, removed a couple of large decorations that couldn't handle the fast response to a structure fire, and removed our decorated firefighter (so wrapped up in lights, he couldn't move) who had been setting on the firetrucks large front bumper throughout the parade. We unwrapped him, got him into the truck and took off. I did have to laugh at myself---once we knew we needed to leave to go to a fire, we still were trapped in the parade lineup---with side streets blocked by crowds of people there was nothing to do but follow the route to its end so we could leave. I found myself waving faster and faster at the crowd, as if the faster waving would someone make the parade vehicles move more quickly so we could go to the fire. I am here to tell you that waving faster and faster and faster didn't speed up anything. Amy, I am hoping for the best for your dad. I know all of you must be exhausted and no one more than him---it is so hard to rest in a hospital (that's ironic, isn't it?) with all the lights, the people in and out all the time, etc. There's no place like home and I hope he gets to return home as soon as possible. Nancy, You have a seed problem! I know a seedaholic when I see one because I am one, though I am attempting to reform myself. I totally understand about Make-A-Wish not being for everyone and certainly respect your son's viewpoint. There are many different ways to deal with cancer, as I know myself, and I think every family has to do what is best for them and particularly what is best for the person most affected by the cancer---the person who has the cancer itself. I know that Russell accomplished his mission in life, and at such a young age! He certainly was a handsome lad. I have had HJ in my thoughts this week as well, as I know the anniversary of her son's death was this week and I cannot imagine how hard that must be to endure. Saturday usually is our big shopping day---we make a list and try to make the circuit of the usual places and gather all the supplies. Sometimes it is complicated---getting two baskets at Sam's, for example, with one filled with fire supplies and one with stuff for us at home, and then paying separately to keep the money and receipts separate. Tim is so bad when he has a shopping cart in front of him and a fire supply shopping list. I fill the basket with food and drinks we need to take care of the firefighters. Tim then thinks of odds and ends they need---fuel cans, a box of red shop rags, bungee cords, zipties, fuel additives, extra pairs of leather work gloves, new chains for the chain saw, etc. etc. etc. and before you know it, the VFD shopping cart has 39 items in it, though our list only had 20 items on it. He's as bad about impulse shopping for the VFD as I am about impulse shopping for the garden. (grin) I think he forgets about that nagging little list of odds and ends that they need until he is in a store shopping, and then he 'needs' everything he sees. Unfortunately yesterday was all about fire dept activity from start to finish so today is going to be our shopping day. I'm so tired from yesterday that I wish we could just sit around at home and do nothing, but we can't. I just hope we make the shopping/errand run, get everything done and get back before any fires break out. Yesterday wasn't to awful in our county until very late in the day, but the adjacent county (Carter County, also under a burn ban) had a lot of fires. Tis the season for that, unfortunately. For items only available from fire supply companies or whatever, there's a constant stream of vehicle parts, supplies, etc. arriving in various ways---often in our mailbox or as a package left on the porch. It is a logistics nightmare trying to keep old, often-used fire trucks running on a wing and a prayer, but thankfully our VFD has several incredibly accomplished mechanics (it is their career and their hobby as well) and welders. Sometimes the UPS guy or the FedEX guy cracks me up---he'll say "this is a big heavy package, be careful...." and I'll reply "yep, it's a radiator for our fire engine". (grin) Kim, It is your home for as long as you're there, so make it what you want it to be. I feel like my soul always needs lots of flowers and ornamental plants in order to be happy, no matter how much I also enjoy growing the edibles. There's nothing wrong with that! Bloom where you are planted, girl! I rejoice over every bloom I see on any given day, even the tiniest little wildflower blooms that often appear randomly in winter on nice days. For those of you wondering if your garden needs to be watered, In winter, depending on the soil moisture level in your area, you may have to water, but not as often as in summer because the temperatures are cooler and not as much moisture is evaporating from the soil nor is it transpiring from dormant plants like it does during the growing season. One thing you can do is look at the attached map. Keep in mind it reflects conditions at your local Mesonet stations, so soil moisture levels at your place may be different. Anyhow, if the number on the attached map is less than 0.50, your plants probably need to be watered. Amy, I think you mentioned asparagus? Mine is well-established and I don't water it in winter ever for any reason. I just don't think it needs it. Asparagus is bulletproof---it won't die and you cannot kill it. If your plants are less than 3 years old, you might want to water them---but not too much at once and not constantly. Maybe once a month in a dry winter. One-Day Plant Available Water (Updates each morning) Gotta go. I'll try to check in on the new Week 2 Thread tonight. Dawn...See Morejacoblockcuff (z5b/6a CNTRL Missouri
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