Inset uppers with full overlay lower - what to do with pantry cabinet?

6 years ago

I am considering doing inset uppers with full overlay lowers, and I know there have been a lot of discussions about this topic with lots of pictures. I am stuck on how to do the pantry cabinet. What have you GW'ers seen or done?

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MarkJames & Co
6 years ago
Have designed them with pantry cabs but have only sold bases and uppers (used an upper to the deck which negates the issue)

I always extend the side(s) of talks back so the counter butts into it. Tends to separate the tall a bit from the bases so I lean towards inset for tall keeping eye level cabinets consistent. Also gives back a little aisle clearance.
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6 years ago
Stick with frameless for it all. Mixing is a contrived look. It always looks subtly wrong. If you are parsing inches so badly to try this, then you need to skip inset at all. Your budget will thank you. And do will the cohesiveness of your kitchen.
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I don't have pictures, but I mixed painted white frameless-full-overlay on my perimeter cabs with framed full overlay on the island (the part facing "in") in my last kitchen. I personally stopped noticing after the first week or so, and I don't think anyone else every noticed. I did the mixing because it saved about $1000 on those 4 island cabinets. Sounds chintzy, maybe :0 When I sold that house, the flyer was full of kitchen "beauty shots" emphasizing the focal points, I had an L configuration with a long island. Since I got multiple offers and a fair amount above my asking price, I really don't think anyone deducted points for my little cost-saving measure.
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Adding to the above, a frameless cabinet is a box, 5 sides of the cube, with a door attached to it. A framed cabinet is a cube with a hole cut out of the 6th side -- creating a frame around the opening on that last side. In either case, the cabinet door covers the 6th side. In the case of a frameless, the door covers the entire opening and the sides of the box material. A framed cabinet has the option of covering all of that frame (full overlay) or just part of it (partial overlay). Maybe that will help you picture the difference. If a frameless cabinet is well built, it should be just as strong as a well made framed cabinet. You may also hear them called European cabinets because they have been the standard in Europe. The IKEA cabinets that seem to be a gold standard for budget cabinetry are frameless cabinets. I have maple painted Brookhaven and WoodMode cabinets as well as knotty cherry WoodMode. All of them are frameless and we love them. We got a lot more drawer space we have much better storage and usable space even though we were limited to the same footprint and took out a corner pantry.
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wilson853
6 years ago
Here's another option. The first custom cabinet maker that I interviewed suggested eliminating the rail between the inset drawers. I didn't even know this was possible so I started looking for pictures before I decided to do this. I have regular inset in my master bath and knew that I did not want to lose drawer height as my previous kitchen was frameless. The national company that I went with also offers inset with no rails. I opted to keep rails on everything above counter height. I have two tall pantry cabinets on either side of my refrigerator. Each pantry base has a drawer with a pullout below (no rail between) and two doors above with a rail separating them. Not one person has noticed that I've eliminated the rails in all of my lower cabinets.

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wilson853
6 years ago
Here's a pantry pic that I had saved. Notice that there are no rails below but there is a rail above separating the upper doors. This is similar to what I did.
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