oops! Not sure how careful I was. I just planted them like I normally do. Guess I'll see what happens when and if they sprout through the soil. Thanks for your replies, I appreciate it. Cindi

I don't know about the X daigremontiana part, but if you're talking about the chandelier plant (kalanchoe tubiflora), I have a ton of them. If you want to e-mail me directly with your shipping info, I can send you some. I literally have hundreds of them coming up in pots and a small garden in my front yard. I had four small plants that were tiny when I had them in pots. I put them insitu and they went nuts, ultimately reaching almost four feet high. They flowered recently and died afterwards, which is normal. I cut them out before they dropped seed because I had so many babies all over the place from the dropped pads of the leaves. It's funny that you can't find any either because I haven't seen any for sell since I bought mine two years ago. They are actually quite hardy. I live in Houston and we get a lot of rain and humidity. I have them planted in landscapers mix (rotting pine bark) and pea gravel. We had a few freezes this winter and I never protected them. They never got frost damage and I've never had a problem with rot either. They are gorgeous when they flower. Giant heads of red dangling bells - I had all four blooming together there at the end. I can't wait til next spring. Anyway, e-mail me your info and I'll send them. Tanya

Boy howdy has this happened to me. Its happening right now. I've got things coming up that I have no idea any longer what it is. Looks like plants I would have planted but who knows what it is now. I have worried that the seeds I put down didn't take, too cold, to wet, etc. reseeded and then I have waayyy to many because they all came up...eventually. seed, weed or mystery plant..? Have to wait and see.

My 13 year old granddaughter will be wearing one of these Herbst appliances very soon, but it's not intended to correct an overbite or underbite. She had been experiencing headaches for about the past two years, and for over a year her jaw has been making a loud clicking sound as she opens and closes her mouth causing her pain each time. She was finally taken to a dentist who then referred her to an orthodontist. They thought it may be TMJ, so the doctor ordered an MRI of her jaw area. It was not TMJ. The right side of her jaw isn't even connected, and the clicking noises are coming from left side of her jaw . The orthodontist said he has never seen a case so sever as this in a child before...only saw cases like this with adults who have been in a traumatic auto accident, or who have had a forceful blow to their face. Her mom doesn't recall any such things ever happening as she was growing up. But I do remember when she had a root canal and cap done at the age of 3 or 4 years old. I distinctly recall how she cried in pain for hours afterwards and I couldn't find a way to comfort her. I even drove her back to the dental office where it was performed that same day and they insisted nothing was wrong with her. The orthodontist who just recently requested the MRI be done, said she has a smaller mouth than most others. I have a gut feeling, and from after talking with others about this, that there's a possibility that when they did the root canal procedure it may have partially dislocated her jaw and that her jaw never went back into the normal position as she was growing all these years. The Orthodontist does not guarantee that wearing the Herbst will even solve her problems in the end, which is heart wrenching to even think of. It's even more heartbreaking to know the pain she is going to have to endure wearing this appliance. But worse, if it doesn't work, they said surgery is the next option. I've heard that with surgery nerves will be cut and loss of feeling in the chin area occurs causing the person to always drool. That would be so traumatic for any teenager to have to deal with. This is so difficult to even imagine what might happen in the long run. I just pray that wearing the Herbst will completely correct her condition. Please, if there is anyone else who has had this similar condition, please let me know how your results were with wearing this appliance.