So sorry meant for this to post to Hot Topics. If I knew how to move it, I would.

You can ask the moderators to do it, or connect it with a cross-post/link. BTW, I agree with you wholeheartedly! It's a great quote, and something that resonates (or should) with everyone.

It's a simple and insightful message. I can't imagine that anyone could find it controversial or "hot", but who knows?

This 'belongs' everywhere!

Agree - it belongs everywhere!

Thank you for posting this, Clearwaters. The number of people who keep mum about the atrocities this man encourages is so very sad to me. It is the same as watching a bully beating up a kid on the playground, and turning around without saying anything. Supporting such a president is tacit approval of all he does.

Funny but obama could have done the very same...at least Trump did condemn the violence from both sides. never heard obama do that.

In that case, ingeorgia, you might not have been listening to the news on Saturday. Obama tweeted almost immediately, quoting Nelson Mandela that day, well before Trump's first confusing tweet re Charlottesville:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/08/14/obama-charlottesville-tweet-likes/567196001/

Thank you for your posting clearwaters!

This is not merely about some racists in Virginia.

Bannon et al are destroying this republic from within. Who cares what the puppet says? He's only playing his role as distraction from the evisceration of our federal government.

Hear hear!

Today I read that in July the Department of Justice issued a warrant to obtain 1.3M names of people who contacted a website about the January 20 protest of Trump's inauguration. The site hosting service has resisted.

My parents lived through Nazi Germany. The gestapo watched my grandparent as they openly opposed the regime. They and my father did not come to this country to watch Neo nazis haters march in the streets and listen to a President defend them. Taking a quiet stance against these evil ideas will not solve the problem. There are peaceful means to fight them, but when someone yells "kill the jews/ni**ers" into your face and wave a club at you, I firmly believe in fighting back. Your life has been threatened. JMHO.

I posted on FB that for the first time I was glad that my Mom and Oma are no longer around to see this. Once was enough.

pkramer, i so hear you. I was 16 when my Grandfather died at the age of 93. Shortly after he passed a letter arrived from the Polish government. My Mother and her 5 brothers each received the same letter.

The Polish government was looking to make restitution for all Jewish businesses that were confiscated during the war. My grandfather had a tailor shop in Warsaw. It was lost when the ghetto was established.

The hair in the egg is that they would only make payments to the original owners. Seriously!?

What was their hurry. The man was 93 at his passing. I guess it's a good way to save on payouts.

The theory is nice but the reality isn't there. Considering that the ones you want to stand up rely on those nutcases as part of their base support group, they're certainly not going to antagonize their group, especially Trumpty Dumpty given he needed enough in the right states to carry the election since we still use the antiquated and obsolete electoral college. When has this president stood up against these groups? Never. When will he? Never. You don't offend those whose support you need. The majority of voters voted against him. They're still celebrating getting "the wall" to keep all the criminal, raping Mexicans out of the country. Oh wait, that didn't happen did it? Among other things.

What we need is an electorate who is a little more educated (not just "schooled") and able to use common sense rather than rely on wishes and believe any rhetoric thrown in their face which they so desperately WANT to believe. That doesn't start from the top down, that starts from the bottom up. People need to get involved locally. Find out what the local government is doing and work their way up. You can make a difference if you try. And maybe, just maybe, we'll elect someone whose mantra is all I know is what's on the internet...

Thank you, Clearwaters, for this thread ... and to all, for keeping it thoughtful and considerate.

Rev. Dietrich Bonhoeffer was another Protestant clergyperson who spent time in jail for strongly supporting similar views.

Maybe (was it 50% or so?) of the voters who thought last time that their vote was not all that important, though many have thought hard, worked hard, built a sense of togetherness and sometimes fought to preserve the freedom and democracy that we in this part of the world enjoy, will reconsider and make a much stronger effort to learn of the issues and cast their vote when next they have an opportunity.

There's much that all of us need do to reconsider not only our rights, but our obligations as citizens to learn, live and participate responsibly.

ole joyful

Rev. Dietrich Bonhoeffer indeed was a German Protestant clergyman who resisted the Nazis. He chose to stay in Germany during this time despite having worked in both the U.S. and England. He was imprisoned by the Nazis and, sadly was hung in prison very near the end of the war. There is a plaque affixed to a church in Berlin where Bonhoeffer spent part of his religious life.

"There's a sucker born every minute." That's attributed to the circus mogul, P. T. Barnum.

Americans have most recently been suckered by a political machine. It found its way to power using a television personality/carnival barker to sell the Snake Oil, telling the suckers what they want to hear.

Steve Bannon was just the man to package this side show. It was perfect for his avowed quest to tear America apart -- a goal shared and abetted by Russia.

Trump has outlived his use to Bannon (and the GOP). What has been lined up to 'help' us out of this frying pan and into the fire? I'm sure the One Percent will be winners, temporarily.

If you want a rough translation (certainly Moni would do it on the fly, a bit of a strain for me)

In this church, resistance fighter Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer preached and confirmed. Born Feb 4, 1906 and murdered in the Flossenbrueck concentration camp on April 9, 1945

Only 39 years old. :(

For me much of this is rehash of old news - 1935 on up. I saw it, I heard it and now I heard the same slogans again. Blood and soil? No, Blut und Boden, etc. Don't give them credence, not likely. They need to hear that they are not wanted, otherwise 70 years from now the US will be chastised for ignoring the threat as Germany still is.