Eternal Flame or Julia Child?
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jim1961 / Central Pennsylvania / Zone 6
6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoI only have Julia Child so can not really comment on which one is better...Planted this last year as a 1 gallon own root... Grew well and bloomed its head off the first season... Second season no different...This rose likes to bloom...
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Julia Child's thorniness
Comments (13)Thanks so much to everyone for your comments. I did manage to closely look at the plant itself in good light today (as opposed to looking at it in the semi-dark or looking at photos that weren't very good). It's much better to look at the rose than to try to tell anything from a picture; the larger older leaves actually get in the way of seeing many of the new rosettes on the rose in photos. I've found rosettes coming out in multiple places with many tiny, slightly more-pointed leaves that are yellowing--a veritable rosette of leaves--and those multiple places with rosettes have leaf stipules that are very much larger than they ought to be. At least one of the enlarged stipules is surprisingly long, longer than the leaflets it adjoins. The degree of thorniness was suggestive but not conclusive, though where the worst problem cane starts close to the ground, it grows larger than the cane coming from the ground that it is joined to. On this particular cane, many of the thorns are orange or an orange shade of beige, though the thorns on the rest of the plant aren't orange. It appears that the thorniness is in the stage of gradually spreading now on the cane coming from the ground that the thorny cane grows out of. On the other side of the plant, I see a good bit of thorniness too from canes coming up from the ground, as well as some rosettes and some tiny, tiny leaves, including some that are yellowing and more pointed than other older leaves on the plant. This makes rose #6 out of the original 13 roses we started with last year--not a good percentage for the chances of keeping this disease confined. I really, really wish that I'd taken out the rose, Cornelia, showing the first problems when I first suspected the disease last fall. To repeat, those initial symptoms in Cornelia were: a sudden increase in thorniness, making a very low thorned plant into something very thorny on certain canes, and including many thorns that were oddly colored black. The one thing I'd especially want to emphasize (which a careful reading of Ann Peck's book will also disclose): that different varieties do not necessarily all react in the same ways to this disease, especially at the earliest first symptoms. So, for example, not seeing black thorns this time on these other roses gives me no reassurance at all. (And in fact, by the time I was seeing full-blown red witches' brooms with red-streaked canes on Cornelia this spring, the color of the many extra thorns was no longer black.) A few questions I wish I knew the answer to: Does anyone know for sure whether Neem oil or something like PAM spray will discourage the particular kind of mite that spreads this virus? I know the problem in the mites' ability to be wedged so deep somewhere that whatever you spray can't reach them, but I was thinking that if spraying takes place every few days that the mites would be out in the open eventually and get whacked. Any ideas about pyrethrin using it the same way? Or soap sprays used frequently? What about pyrethrin dust for controlling the mites remaining in the ground that might live off of whatever remains of the rose's roots? I am also thinking of using Wilt-Pruf on the new roses (now sitting on the other side of the house from where the RRD roses were located). Any experience with trying Wilt-Pruf as a mite discourager/protectant? (For sure the smelly spray products used to discourage pests like deer and rabbits do nothing to ward off mites. And for sure beneficial nematodes have no effect in controlling these mites either.) Do the mites usually land on a plant via the wind and almost never end up traversing the ground to get there? If they do traverse the ground too, might something like diatomaceous earth work on those mites doing the walking? Or might they find something like snail bait (Escargo) tasty while they're on the ground? We are organic gardeners here, so something like Avid won't be used. Thanks for any ideas! Best wishes, Mary...See MoreFragrant yellow roses for cutting
Comments (23)Thank you very much for your interesting suggestions. I will remember to look out for these roses this summer when I visit gardens and nurseries with big collections of modern roses. Interesting to see the parentage of some of these roses. Curlydoc - I really like the fragrance of Peace too - not strong but delicate. Interesting to see that it gets more pink hues in intense sun/or heat....See MoreJulia child's needs a companion
Comments (20)I agree that JC will go well with many roses. It depends on what colour effect you want. If you want more complementary colours than yellow will go well with reds, orange and pinks but in similar shades or hues. A strong flaming red for example may not go well with a soft yellows especially yellows like Austins roses. If you want contrasting colours then JC and Ebb Tide/Twilight Zone will work well together. I am going to see how JC does in my garden. She is in her first year and will bloom soon. If it does well, I will get more for my garden. I am always looking for a good disease resistant strong golden yellows in my garden. I love Austins roses but I find his yellows very washed out. I am definitely not a fan of the creamy washed out colours....See MoreFlaming June Game CXLVII
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho
6 years agoI love my three Julia Child roses--they are constantly in bloom and the last to go when winter sets in. JC's growth habit is a nice round shape without octopus canes. I've grown two of my Julias since the year she came on the market. I don't know anything about Eternal Flame, and in fact, have never heard of it until now. Diane
Julia 2017
Julias in 2016 which show the entire 6X6 foot plants.
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BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)
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K S
6 years agoHere in Seattle at the Woodland Park Rose Garden I have seen Julia Child roses outperforming many of the other roses they have (they really stood out). The bushes looked healthy, with good foliage. I am not sure if they spray (I think not) but I know they do follow some ecological rose gardening practices there. Here is a picture:
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6 years agojim1961 / Central Pennsylvania / Zone 6
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6 years agojim1961 / Central Pennsylvania / Zone 6
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seil zone 6b MI
6 years agoJulia is my favorite rose in my garden. Here she is getting cozy with Bulls Eye.
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6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoI'd probably put Julia Child in the ground and Eternal Flame in a large container...
Nice Seil!
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Carrie Renee Turner
11 months agodara_gardener-Vancouver Island, Z8
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Artist-FKA-Novice Zone 7B GA
11 months agoCarrie Renee Turner
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Diane Brakefield
11 months agoI commented on this thread five years ago as nanadoll, and I stand by my comments. Julia only gets better as the years go by. I grow three of her and all are wonderful. For me Julia Child, Augusta Luise, and Munstead Wood are my top three favorite roses. I wish I could comment about disease resistance, but fungal diseases are not a problem here--too dry. I'm in SW Idaho, zone 7 hot and dry summers, semi arid desert. I've grown my first two Julias since 2006, and they aren't slowing down. Diane
Dara, do you grow Dara, the purple wild carrot (below)?
BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)
11 months ago
Julia Child looking absolutely fabulous on Mother’s Day at Marin Center for Garden and Arts. I thought she looked so good I texted the pic to Tom Carruth, lol.
susan9santabarbara
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PDXRobertZ8
9 months agoBenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)
9 months agolast modified: 8 months agoHi Robert,
I saw Eternal Flame at the local rose nursery and was very impressed with the scent as well. Another one I really like is Chantilly Cream, strongly fragrant citrus, long lasting bloom on a healthy very consistent performing plant.
Chantilly Cream
She’s not quite an English rose but here below shes plays well with Evelyn and Abe.
Carrie Renee Turner
9 months agoI'm in Zone 7B in Maryland and planted EF earlier this summer. Thus far, it is blooming profusely and reasonably fending off blackspot. The blooms smell great.
PDXRobertZ8
9 months ago
Feiy (PNWZ8b/9a)
8 months ago
forever_a_newbie_VA8
8 months agoJulia Child is my first non-knockout rose in this house and she is the best bloomer. She is also one of the cleanest roses. In the beginning she did not have any fragrance but now I can detect medium-strong scent. I cannot describe it, not fruity, not old rose. Maybe myhrr? to me any scent in rose is a plus
PDXRobertZ8
8 months ago
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
8 months agosusan9santabarbara
8 months agoKristine, my two favorite new-ish gold roses are South Africa and Good as Gold. Not beauty shots, but accurate :-D
South Africa was from Palatine in 2022 and likes to bloom a lot:
Good as Gold was from Edmunds in 2021 and almost died. It was down to one sickly cane, but I kept it going and I'm glad I did:
Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
8 months agoFeiy (PNWZ8b/9a)
8 months agoI had some problems with my file system. After DH helped to fix it, I can finally see the photos...
This is a photo of SIR one month ago.
I also love the gold tone of South Africa(ownroot, 4th year) very much. Although it's has little scent, it performs well in my high shade garden. Photos taken in June.
BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)
8 months agolast modified: 8 months agoSusan, Feiy Lo,
Those incredible deep colors you mild weather folks get on your gold roses…life is not fair!
While we’re pushing yellow / gold roses, I’ve been really happy with Golden Opportunity. Very full , large refined blooms, decent scent. great foliage and branching, excellent repeatt on my young plant. You can see the Julia Child lineage in the foliage and habit. Tom Carruth said he worked for many years to get a really good yellow climber and this is one of his newer intros that he is most pleased iwith.
Golden Opportunity
Mature plant at Weeks’ Pomona Trials, (screen grab from ARS video):
Ryan Coastal LA Zone 10b
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8 months agoSophiaTheReader .
2 months ago
I love my Good as gold! shes great!!!! you can see all the diff colors. you never know what youre goinf to see!
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