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Comments (77)I think there are liriopes that are not invasive. Liriope spicata (monkey grass) is the one that spreads with underground runners and spreads a lot. I never installed it in my garden but all my neighbors complain that they cannot contain it - they want to use them as edging or in front of the border. On the other hand, I saw once a garden on TV, I think the garden was in Georgia where liriope was used instead of the usual lawn grasses. It looked lush, gorgeous,deep green, etc. In addition one doesn't have to mow it weekly, formed such a thick mass that no weed had a chance to get through (what a dream!) and provided a stunning foundation that elevated, lifted up and improved the flowerbeds tremendously. I wish I could get rid of our Bermuda grass and plant monkey grass instead. Still I would not like to plant it as edging in flowerbeds. The black mondo grass is stunning and it is said that to be non-invasive; I was tempted by that but then I chose dark purple oxalis instead, When these bulbs multiply, I just pull out a few bulbs....See MoreSo What do you Look for in Roses?
Comments (29)The first 3 criteria are equal; -Disease resistance. Two gardens ago, we grew 180+ rosebushes, and it was a sublime garden, with shady corners where Hybrid Musks bloomed, all edged with white Lady Banks, in the center where the hot sun flowed down, were the H.P.s, H.T.s and Bourbons. After a few years of spraying with organic sprays I decided that since so many roses were available that never needed to be sprayed in our area, to only grow those cultivars. -Old Roses for their beauty, fragrance and, history, some of it quite romantic. I came late to the Austin club, forgoing modern roses altogether (a strong prejudice against the ball on a stick H.T. form) but finally bought a yellow Austin after waiting 3 years for a yellow own-root Noisette to climb and it refusing to grow more than 2 feet tall. I wish Mr. Austin used more Tea-Noisettes in his rose breeding program,and/ or sold in the u.s. 'Marachal Niel' on Dr. Huey, because that would be a dream come true to me. 3. beauty of bush, bloom and fragrance. One of the 3 won't do it for me. When I was a young girl I decided that I loved best a rosebush that had pretty foliage (Mlle. Cecillel Brunner')and small flowers over a large flowered H.T. with a few leaflets to barely cover its thorny canes, because I reasoned I had to look at the bush for 12 months out of the year, during 8 of those the plant would have leaves, and I wanted to enjoy seeing the bushiest plants available. I love a lush rose garden, filled with roses, of course, but also leafy foliage in great and green abundance. For most of my rose growing years I have loved and sought out to grow Old Garden Tea roses for that reason; the bush is beautiful to look at even when it is taking a break from blooming. Many Noisette roses are fantastic foliage plants as well. -fragrance, fragrance and more fragrance. I'm lucky I can smell Tea roses because some folks can't. a few of my favorite roses this month are; Mrs. B.R. Cant' from afar, I love it as a huge background plant covered with roses. I never appreciated this rose until I noticed how well it appears when seen at a distance. R. moschata gorgeous foliage in 3 seasons+, a sexy musky scent that wafts on the air, very pretty stamens and pollen, white roses are my favorite. white ' Rose of York' has my favorite rose foliage of all, "luxurious" blue-green leaves, wide white petals, that golden boss, and a wonderful history being the first white garden rose documented as being grown in England; 1400's a.d..and associated with the York family. Pax' always blooming, very fragrant. cl. Kaiserin Auguste Viktoria' The large shapely creamy white roses have an excellent petal substance which makes them last a long time in a vase and moderately strong fragrance. I would place it among Mme. Jules Bouche and Mrs. Herbert Stevens for best classic white Hybrid Tea for beauty of bloom. Marie Van Houtte and Mrs. Dudley Cross, great combinations of yellow and pink. R. californica I pick the canes all during the green seasons for its leaves, to use in bouquets. This is one of the few wild roses that re-blooms well on new growth, so I cut it back by one third at the end of June so it re-blooms in late August. I've documented the re-bloom several years in a row, but not the percentage, at a glance it appears to be more than 60% of the June bloom cycle. The scattered bloom that has been noticed on R. californica that appears after its' spring flush is due, I believe, to naturally occurring new growth. Next year I'll try and remember to count all of its blooms during its first and second bloom cycle to see if R. californica is fully remontant when pruned back. -interesting things about roses aside from the bloom: hips, leaves, prickles, oddly colored foliage and leaf shape, 15 leaflets gets my pulse surging. Bloom: Must appear natural. No florist roses for me. as my neighbor said "They look like they're made of plastic' Luxrosa...See MoreKeeping it in perspective
Comments (35)Diane, what we did with my dad and the tape recorder was not really easy to get started because he didn't understand what we wanted to know. But once we did get him started about old San Bernardino, he'd say something like 'the old park at Urbita Springs' and we'd just answer 'no, what was that?' and he'd be off and running. We got some amazing stories, like when the parks dept put up some immense concrete picnic tables with benches attached, at a little campground at Devore. Then the rains came, and they picked up those benches and hurtled them down, all the way across San Bernardino to the Santa Ana River, about 15 miles away! Anyone ever doubt the force of water? Yikes. It's a shame that you don't have anyone nearby who could try doing the same thing with your relatives. I know that if I'd tried getting any of mine to write stuff down in a book, it wouldn't have happened. All of our stories are verbal. Only the very old journals from the 1850s were written and preserved. Here's a little story from one of them that you might appreciate. This notation of the ocean crossing that shows the sort of observation they wrote down. It seems that there was a large and very whiny lady aboard with her son, and she was constantly complaining and asking "Sonny, get Mama this". Or "get Mama that". After a long confinement in pretty close quarters on a fairly small sailing ship, you can imagine the rest of the passengers were heartily sick of it. Then one day they ran into a bit of weather and some sizable swells. Apparently the ship lurched and Mama went flying backwards on the deck with her voluminous skirts up over her head. She wasn't hurt at all, but she screeched like a wet hen, and the other passengers couldn't help themselves. It was unforgivably rude of them, and particularly for that day and age, but they were tired of the trip and tired of her, and it was funny. They simply lost control and laughed. Somehow I doubt if she spoke to any of them for the rest of the voyage. Pat...See Moredrought takes a toll
Comments (11)I work in AG in FL, the second largest AG state after CA, and for the last 15 yrs there have been water restrictions in this state from one degree to another. Some counties are far stricter year round, others's are mild thru summer, more strict in winter but all are under restrictions. In this state we have said for years that water is going to become more precious than oil, we have desalination plants already running and a few more under construction ($2 Billion ea). If you don't believe water is more important than oil, just ask ALL the farmers in the Midwest, they have run wells dry for 2 years straight already and are quickly running out of options. I was shocked to see some states giving waivers to homeowners/small farms wanting to drill deep wells to get to water last summer. That just lessens the general water pool for everyone in the midwest. I am willing to bet some towns completely run out next summer, even if there are decent snows and rains for the rest of the year. Until I lived here I didn't realize how much water we waste and now we can not afford too. Alot of people are not used to being told they have rules about water use especially wells but it is coming to everyone in this country. Here, Seminole Co, northern burbs of Orlando even if you are on a well you must follow the law and there are fines for breaking it. You can not drill for wells for several counties around Orlando and no matter how much $$ you have to blow on trying there are no well drillers willing to risk it. The most powerful people in this state are on the Water Management Districts, they alone make the laws for water use by every single person and business in this state. Every couple of years the water/sewage treatment rates double, that combined with no wells allowed to be drilled, drives people on to "reclaimed" water for irrigation or you go w out. I work for a landscape plant grower (2nd largest in FL) and we are told how much water we may use, years ago we had to convert to "reclaimed" water (and pay for it now) even thou we border a major lake and used to draw from it. You break the law as a business and the fines are meant to put you out of business permanently. The worst restrictions I can ever remember were in Broward/Dade Co - Miami area in 2006-07 springs. Lake Okachoobee was at historic lows for months and after months of severe water restrictions like no irrigation at all, no sod or plant installations at all, no car washing, etc...they were 2 weeks away from cutting off ALL water to residences & businesses (emergency & hospital allowed) between 9am-5pm, no exceptions, not like some could have anyway they were shutting valves OFF. 1 week later they got some rain, then after several months they lifted the most severe restrictions. When there is no water there is none...we can not make more. But I sure hope FL pipes it out to all the other states LOL for a price! ~ liz...See MoreUser
6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoMarlorena, it is puzzling, but I think 'RdV' dropped out of sight for a while, then had a 20th Century revival. Here is her portrait from 1860...
This rose, as originally described in 1860 had pink thorns with pink stipules and petioles. I don't know if she is now extinct, but these days what is in commerce as 'RdV' in the U.S. is a thornless rose with rounded bluish-green leaflets, and I don't see the pink stipules or petioles in the HMF photos of the U.S. version either. Some of the photos from Germany and Austria seem to have the pink stipules, but I can't see any thorns...
Best guess is that she disappeared from commerce for a while, and when she was "reintroduced", she wasn't quite the same...
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6 years agoI'm finding it a little disheartening to think the rose we're all growing might not be the original and that we have an imposter... I'm quite shocked at that.. the one grown here is virtually thornless... I think I found one small prickle on mine when I had it.. nothing like in the one above.. some blooms had a whitish centre though, others not..
Here's one I cooked up earlier, just to compare..
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6 years agoI suspect that 'RdV' may have been confused in commerce with 'Triomphe d'Amiens' early on... 'TdA' was introduced in 1859 by Mille-Mallet, and 'RdV' was sent out the next year from the same breeder.
Their illustrated plates were both published in the 1860 edition of L'Illustration Horticole, and look somewhat similar...
Another HP in that colour family is 'Vulcain'. Perhaps you could order one before Brexit takes whatever toll it will take on ordering from the rest of Europe? It came out in 1861...
Honestly, though, who knows how many of the old roses are who they are supposed to be? Some are truly distinctive enough, and have been in commerce steadily since their introduction so that you feel pretty sure that 'Perle d'Or' really IS 'Perle d'Or'. With the HP's, Teas, etc., who can really say for sure? And so we're back to the Bard, asking"What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet..."
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