I am sorry but I don't have a good answer for you. I too would like to know what others' experience regarding their David Austen roses with RMV. I have found that two of my DA roses which I planted last year, Evelyn and the Poet's Wife currently are showing symptoms of RMV but did not show the symptoms last year.

Is that RMV? I have had leaves do that on my roses before. Usually it has to do with cold or old leaves. The new growth appears very healthy.

Rebecca

I would talk to the manager and see if they will mark it down for you ! Also have you contacted whomever you lost bare roots to not breaking dormancy ? They should refund you or replace it

Lilyfinch, both barefoot were refunded, first one was from Regan nursery and the second one was from Edmunds Roses.

Rebecca, that looks like RMV to me. You feel different on it? There isn't even one more rose in that nursery with leaves like that.

braverichard, in all honesty, I don't have much experience with it. That is why I asked the question. I kind of assusmed there would be a mosaic pattern, but in searching on the internet, it appears that there are a lot of forms of it. I have a rose that I will be removing this year that has a dotty pattern on it's leaves for the past 2 years and is declining. I want to get it out in the chance that it is RMV and the roots will cross with my prize giant Johann Strauss that I take all of my cuttings from. The rose is 15 years old.

Rebecca

Well good news for me... went back to said nursery ready to negotiate a lower price on that rose only to see that they had another one in an area where they hold plants for customers who have requested that the plants be held for them. This particular one had exceeded the maximum hold period of 2 days and so was being returned to inventory for sale. It also had healthy, clean leaves and looked good. I bought it even with the insane price.

So glad you got a good one Richard !! It is a really beautiful rose . I was nervous when I planted it since I had never seen the blooms in real life and some photos don't flatter it much . I really love the blooms though !

Thank you, Seil! I appreciate your response very much because I am not sure how to handle the roses affected with RMV. I will just treat them the same way as other roses and not worry too much about them. Thanks again!

There is no such thing as a virus named RMV. RMV is the group name for a number of viruses that infect roses. Even for a single virus in that group there are different strains that have different virilities. Also, the rose imune system has been shown to be more efective at fighting PNRSV (usually considered the most common rose virus in the U.S.) at higher temperatures than at lower temperatures. Thus, someone in a warmer climate may feel that a certain virus infection is not a big deal, but that experience probably will not apply to the same variety of rose with the same virus (and same strain) infection grown in a cooler climate. Also, since we are normally dealing with hybrids, the immune system can vary from rose variety to rose variety. When you add that it may be a different virus, a simultaneous infection with two or more types of virus, and/or an infection with a different strain of an individual virus; you see that it is risky to make general statements about what an untested rose virus infection will mean to someone else.

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The following was stated in this thread: "I will just treat them the same way as other roses and not worry too much about them.

H.Kuska comment: Please do not treat your virused roses as normal roses but instead follow the published warning from:

http://ceventura.ucanr.edu/Gardening/Coastal/Landscape_578/Viruses_Menu/Rose_Virus/

" In the meantime, you need to remember that viruses can be transmitted by pruning and cutting shears. Virus-infected plants should be pruned last and/or have their flowers harvested last. To be extra cautious, wipe your cutting shears with alcohol (rubbing alcohol is good) or a 10 percent bleach solution between plants."

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But, I want to emphasize that the one point I feel is fundamental to any forum discussion of mosaic viruses that covers different temperature zones is the recognition that the rose immune system is temperature dependent.

https://sites.google.com/site/temperatureandrosemosaicvirus/home

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Thanks for the education Kuska.

Yeah it all makes no sense, I have seen signs of the RMV infection on the leaves of one of my Abraham Darby which is actually my most vigorous rose! Been like that for now 4+ years. On the other hand I saw RMV symptoms on my old grafted Sunsprite and it quickly declined to nothing and had to be shovel primed. None of it all makes sense lol, as Kuala said it could be some plants have more infections than the others, also neither does paying $42.10 for a rose that is not a rare one. Oh well. That said, the rose bush had just two blooms on it and yet as I drove home and it was in the back of my long SUV I could smell its beautiful scent the whole way. Just awesome.

Great news you got a plant that appears to be healthy, and you don't have to take a chance on the other. Don't beat yourself up over the price. You are supporting a local nursery and that's a good thing! My local nursery closed up and I'm stuck with big box stores to get my plants unless I drive completely out of my way to the closest nursery which is not in a direction I normally go.

Yep, agreed, plus you will never see Jubilee Celebration at a big box store. I'm pretty happy with the purchase!

The US David Austin facility is gaining a reputation for producing virused plants and selling them for premium prices. Its almost secondary whether or not the plant will perform adequately - personally I don't care to reward a grower like David Austin US with $$$ for producing brand new plants that leave the fields already infected with disease. That is bad business and unconscionable IMO.

Give it a go and see what happens. I've got 2 Kardinals. One is infected. The other is clean. The first 2 years both were great. Last year I noticed the infected one was struggling during the fall bloom. Pale, infected foliage. Small blooms that were few and far between. The clean bush looked great. This past spring the infected bush looked like crap. It will be removed. More then anything, it's a crap shot in the garden. Will it be "snake eyes" or "a 5".

Ken Wilkinson what zone are you in?

Thanks, Henry. I guess it is best to practice safe handling of all roses when in doubt. I will keep an eye on them to see if they decline over time.

henry_kuska, I'm in zone 7a/b. N.E. GA. Mts. East face of the Smoky's.