Advice? Need upright and/or sedate climber for north side of fence

6 years ago

I have a 6 foot wooden privacy fence separating us from the neighbors. It runs down the southern side of our yard. I am looking for a climber or upright rose that can be spread against the fence. I would prefer something light colored, low thorns; scent doesn't matter (but would be a bonus!) The fence does get several hours of morning sun and late afternoon sun. The fence has about 1/2 gap between each board. (sun comes through) I would call it extremely bright shade (when the sun isn't on it). Disease resistance is important is our hot humid weather!

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roseseek

6 years ago

No, Annie Laurie McDowell isn't a beast house eater. This is probably one of the largest plants there is. It is budded on Pink Clouds and was in that spot for several years when this photo was taken. That is the north side of about a five and a half foot block wall. The spread is about twelve or so feet and the plant could easily achieve three more feet over the fence. It is located in Valencia, CA, Zone 9b. In over twenty years of growing it, I have now discovered TWO prickles on any plant, not even those Chihuahua teeth rippers on the foliage mid ribs. Scent? Sublime! Heavy, sweet, lasting, so much so that when I rip apart flowers to collect pollen, it sticks to my fingers and continues scenting the kitchen trash can for days until it ferments and starts smelling like a sweet alcoholic concoction. No, I don't make potpourri, but this would work very well. I can't vouch for how it would handle your hot, humid conditions, but in Zones 9b and 10a (Santa Clarita/Valencia, CA; Encino, CA; Santa Barbara, CA; Santa Maria, CA; and San Jose, CA) it will experience a little spotting just prior to a growth spurt on the oldest foliage as it begins to fall, but never any reported nor observed rust nor mildew and the new foliage has always remained healthy. There are now also two budded plants in the San Francisco Bay area, one where it's hotter and one in the fog, but no reports have been made about any issues, so I can't suggest what to expect there. Unfortunately, I can't suggest where to obtain one. Heirloom reported two years ago they had many plants growing vigorously in their green houses and stated it would be in the spring 2015 catalog. When they approached me last spring for new seedlings to evaluate, I inquired and stated I wanted to see what they would do with what they had before submitting anything else. The response was they had over 600 potted roses in the green houses under evaluation and had spent their time planting them outdoors. Whatever that says about my inquiry. You might try emailing or phoning them to inquire. Own root, as Virginia reports, Annie Laurie McDowell, like quite a few other roses, would rather flower than grow, so if you want to push the plant to grow faster, don't let her flower. She's that way budded, too, but so are many other roses. I've nursed two budded Grey Pearl bushes now for three years until they have achieved sufficient size to permit them to begin flowering, and I am about to embark on the same treatment for virus indexed Sterling Silver to produce decent plants of it. Sometimes you have to put in the effort for things you really want. My Annie Laurie McDowell is budded to virus indexed Fortuniana (I budded it three or so years ago) and is trapped in a seven gallon can until I can create open space and fencing upon which to grow her. She spreads from about 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock in the shot below.

The plant I gave to Kippy the Hippy in Santa Barbara is well on its way to hitting the top of the arch she planted it beside. She doesn't let it flower itself silly, so she forces it to grow. I allow mine to bloom because I don't want it huge yet, and I want the pollen to use in breeding.

Annie is the large, pink flowers; the center coral-pinkish are Shades of Pernet and the two darker pink in the bottom center is a new climbing seedling from Pink Gate (Cecile Brunner seedling) X Magic Wand. I thought it might want to be smaller, but the Giant Sequoia basals shooting up from the crown of the plant suggest otherwise.

I had tried MAC on the wall to the right of Annie Laurie McDowell in the photo at the HMF link at the beginning of this post, but quickly tired of the blood letting from being ripped by her nasty, sharp, hooked prickles each time I had to cut YARDS of growth out of the neighbor's trees and her back yard. MAC is NOT "mannerly" in warmer climates. She's intensely beautifully scented and quite pretty, but definitely NOT "mannerly", nor "lightly prickled". There may not be quite as many as on some other climbers, but what she has, hide perfectly; are incredibly sharp; hooked downward and perfectly suited for ripping flesh.

Another you may enjoy is Cl Columbia. With pruning, it can be kept smaller, almost like a large bush. It repeats beautifully with huge, very double, pink, exquisitely scented blooms. It has some prickles, but rates in my book as "nearly thornless" for a climbing sport of a Hybrid Tea. How black spot resistant it may be where you are, I have no idea, but in the zones listed above, it's been healthy.

Not that Cl. Columbia CAN'T get large. This is the plant at Rosemary's Roses in Columbia, CA three weeks ago. She closed the nursery because her well was going dry (she has over 1400 roses in the mountains near Columbia State Park) then received 107" of rain! Rosemary, her husband Ron, Sherri Berglund and Susan Young and I wandered the place for several hours with Fred and Dee Boutin.

Cl. Columbia goes well into that tree in the back ground, but I grew it, own root, as a six foot, free standing shrub in Newhall for years and it flowered as reliably as a regular bush rose. It all depends upon how sharp your pruning shears are and how ruthless you are prepared to be.

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User
6 years ago
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'Annie Laurie McDowell' might be a good choice for you. We do hot and humid in coastal SC, and 'ALMcD' is quite clean here. Also thornless, fragrant and beautiful. She is a bit slow to get growing, so if you want to encourage her, you'll need to snip buds as they form so that she rechannels the energy from blooming to growing.

Mine is in a pot in bright shade, and very much needs to be transplanted to a larger pot. I'm thinking she may be a good rose for a fence in our front yard...

Have fun deciding!

Virginia
John (PNW zone 8)
6 years ago
If you're handy with pruning shears (or a hedge trimmer...which is how I pruned it in my last garden), Madame Alfred Carrière would cover your fence in no time and bloom from spring to fall once established. It thinks nothing of growing in shade and its slender canes are easily bent to your will. I recommended it with hesitation only because it requires regular and sometimes aggressive trimming on a 6 ft fence, since it could easily grow to 20 ft. Still, I grow it in a very shady corner where our 6 ft fence goes between our shed and my neighbor's garage, and I find it very easy to work with. But then, I can let it grow onto the shed roof during the summer and only chop it back if it goes towards to neighbor's garage. Then, in the winter, I cut it back hard to new shoots and train a framework for the next season. Since it does need firm pruning, it makes a good companion for the viticella Clematis varieties which also tolerate shade and can be cut back to 3 inches each winter. I grow it with Clematis Purpurea Plena Elegans.
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gagalzone8
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6 years ago
I will have to look her up Virginia! Thanks! John, she sounds awesome, but I have a grumpy old man next door..(hence the fence!) Funny story..when we were installing the fence, he strolled over and made several smart remarks to my hubby. The hubs smiled and nodded as he continued to crab....hub had enough finally and told him "if I wanted to be an ass, I would have moved it a foot closer to your house, where my property line ends...now what is the problem?" Old guy didn't say a word and strolled off. Hubby knows him and says that he is known all over town as a bully....rude and pushy to get his way. He wanted to let him know from the get go that he wasn't gonna dictate to us. Gracious! We have had a good relationship since..lol
gagalzone8
Original Author
6 years ago
Is Annie a beast house eater?
portlandmysteryrose
6 years ago
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Alba Semi Plena or Alba Maxima! Delicious scents, shade tolerant, beautiful trained along fence, both very healthy. Once-blooming and lovely with season-extending, shade tolerant, easy keeper Clematis Etoile Violette. Carol
User
6 years ago
last modified: 6 years ago
'Annie' is not a beast, but it looks like you'd have some trouble buying one. If she appeals to you, please try calling Angel Gardens and maybe Heirloom (it isn't listed at their site, but I've been informed that they had it) to see what the stock situation is.

Sorry if I've led you astray. I should know better, but it didn't occur to me that a rose that nice would be unavailable.

Looking at your handle, I'm wondering if you're in South Georgia? That might make a difference regarding which roses you're able to grow, and how vigorous they'll be.

Virginia

Edited to add: cross-posted with Kim....
John (PNW zone 8)
6 years ago
If you can't find Annie, you could always go with Renae, Annie's parent which should be easier to find and is also very charming. It's nearly thornless, scented and less vigorous than Mme Alfred Carrière. I grew it on a 10 x 4 trellis with Clematis 'Rooguchi' in a bed that faced north-east, and it thrived...even when construction workers laid it flat on the ground and walked over it for 6 months one winter. I occasionally found a pickle and the undersides of the leaves could snag the skin if you weren't careful, but it's definitely the smoothest rose I have ever grown.
Melissa Northern Italy zone 8
6 years ago
I don't know about the disease resistence, nor how they do in your area (where are you? always helpful information when you have a question), but my first thought were the Pemberton hybrid musks: 'Cornelia', 'Francesca', 'Pax', 'Moonlight', 'Buff Beauty' (last I believe from P's gardener and fellow hybridizer). I recommend them all the time, for a reason. All are lax, not too large shrub-climbers, not too thorny, and trainable, pale colored, with excellent foliage, reblooming (mostly spring and fall), shade tolerant, and very fragrant. They're all beautiful roses, but 'Cornelia' is possibly the most suitable for your situation. I don't know how they would do in your area: if you can you should consult local knowledge. P.S. If you should get a Hybrid Musk, be aware that they MUST have old canes cut out regularly in order to stimulate growth of new canes; otherwise the rose will peter out to nothing. At least this has been my experience. For the rest they're easy plants.
gagalzone8
Original Author
6 years ago
Yes, I am in South GA....as you can imagine, the humidity is outrageous..I watched the fence yesterday off and on to get an idea about sunlight. The area gets full sun in the am to about 12:30...then shaded, then back in the full sun around 2:30 pm. The only part that is shaded is from the fence to about a foot out. I am going to research all of your suggestions and see what I can come up with. I wish I could find something around here....I hate waiting on a band to grow...but I live in a rural area and there is nothing. Our big box stores only sell Knockouts...Its just frustrating. I am dying for Crepsecule and have had my sister and sister in law, in the Atlanta area, looking for me. No luck so far..
gagalzone8
Original Author
6 years ago
Roseseek, please don't share pictures! It kills me to see those big gorgeous roses! lol. They are just gorgeous...I understand about the pinching and waiting...my poor little Sharifa is getting the pinch treatment now. (yes, I did let her bloom a time or two..couldn't stand it) she has been a very puny grower here. She is in black gold soil and consistently watered...also Nahema is not all that vigorous. both going on their 3rd year, so hoping they kick in. They are very healthy, just slow. Oh well, I love to "see" about my garden, so it is really not that bad. lol
User
6 years ago
gagal, if you want 'Crepuscule', and don't want to wait for a band to grow, I would definitely recommend checking with Roses Unlimited in SC to see if they have it in stock. They send out large, healthy, well-grown plants.

The price should be about $18, not much more than most bands, but shipping a large plant costs more (and they have a per order charge), so that will about double the cost. Ordering more than one plant gets you more for the shipping, and I will just mention that RU usually has a sale in mid-June offering a good selection of their large plants for $10 each. Last year I ordered a non-sale rose with 3 sale roses, so even if 'Crepuscule' doesn't get marked down, it may be worth waiting for the sale to get more of those big, healthy roses. Or if you like road trips, it may be worth the drive for you. I still haven't visited, but I want to. Especially when I read about Buford's trip there.

Good luck,

Virginia
roseseek
6 years ago
Thank you, Gagal. Save your energy and let your sister in law get back to her garden. Virginia is right. For things other than the "standard dozen", just order it from an on line source. You're going to pay a whale of a lot more in gas, energy, time, frustration, etc. shopping everywhere for what used to be common and the good on line sources deserve the support. They provide the greatest chance of you finding what you want, your receiving a quality plant and it being properly identified. Shop if you enjoy it, but don't expect any walk-in commercial place to have what you're looking for. It occasionally happens, but the demand for such roses isn't very high and the vast majority of "nurseries" just can't/won't stock them.
gagalzone8
Original Author
6 years ago
Virgina & Roseseek, I am afraid that is what I am going to have to do. My twin sister was diagnosed with a very rare cancer ESS low grade in Dec. so I have made many trips to Cumming. (north of Atlanta) She is doing well and was going to pick me up one if she ran across it, so I am not running around searching! My sister in law lives in another part of Atl. that I pass going to my twin's. She is looking and I could swing by on my way home. I just knew someone in Atl would sell it...but it's just not meant to be...(my luck as always!) I have ordered before and been very satisfied. I just wish you hadn't told me about the sale......
roseseek
6 years ago
I'm sorry about your sister, but delighted she is doing well. Of course you are glad you know of the sale! How would you have felt if you bought it for full price then found out you could have gotten it for less? LOL!
User
6 years ago
I am sorry to hear about your twin having to cope with the rare cancer. Even if it isn't an aggressive type, it's still cancer, and therefore scary. I wish her well.

I do think it's a good idea to call or e-mail RU to ask about availability. I did check to see, and ARE and A Reverence for Roses are sold out of it, so that won't work as a back-up.

If you can't find it, I would definitely ask about suggestions for another rose of that type; you might fall for something really nice.

Good luck,

Virginia
gagalzone8
Original Author
6 years ago
Thanks Virginia..her cancer really isn't curable, but can possibly be managed like a chronic disease. She is on a hormone therapy, so no chemo or radiation. Just 8 pills a day. So I guess that is a blessing. No side effects but always hungry! lol I have probably read every thread on this forum...learning..I love to see what others have and their feelings about certain roses in our area! Sure saved me some costly mistakes.
User
6 years ago
gagal, her cancer may not be curable now, but new therapies are in the works for many types of cancer: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a26290/we-will-beat-cancer/

Yeah, I know, Popular Mechanics? But it is an interesting article.

I agree that this forum is wonderful for learning what not to do/ plant and gives good guidance about what might work instead.

Cheers,

Virginia
gagalzone8
Original Author
6 years ago
Virginia, You are so right about the different treatments. Her Dr. is amazing, she sent her biopsies to a new lab in Texas, that tries different treatments on the samples to see what works. She is a Brown, Harvard & Yale chick that is just adorable...always smiling and just so compassionate. My sisters case is the first she has seen, but she took her file to a conference and now has a team (all across the usa) that she consults...Radiologist, research scientist, Chemo Dr., molecular med Dr. just amazing. She is thought very highly of as a Gynecology Oncologist. My sister and I are very upbeat positive people that are from the school of SUCK IT up! Not to say we don't have our "moments", but we have the garden for that!! I love that our mom passed on a love for the dirt to all three of us! We are passionate about our little piece of the earth and are constantly texting pictures of our plants, compost piles, blooms, or veggies!! Its FUN!
User
6 years ago
gagal, you are indeed fortunate to have siblings who love gardening as much as you. My grandparents were gardeners and birdwatchers, but they are gone, and nobody else in my family has any interest in these things besides me. They think I'm crazy, and I think they are...

I do know that the NCIS is conducting clinical trials for targeted therapies, and are looking for patients with rare cancers. I have no idea if your sister is eligible, and it sounds like the lab in TX may be looking for tumor mutations for targeted therapies already? Or they may be doing sensitivity and resistance testing, which is somewhat different. My oncologist is having the sensitivity and resistance testing done to see what kind of post-surgical chemo to give me. Hopefully, I'll have no recurrence, and therefore no need for the tumor-marker studies for targeted therapies.

Let us know if you find 'Crepuscule' or something you like as well.

Virginia
gagalzone8
Original Author
6 years ago
Thanks for the information! I will share with my sister. The lab sent a huge packet with all kinda stuff in it. I do know that they would take a sample and apply a therapy to it to see what worked. Same with chemo/radiation. My understanding is it lets the Dr. start with a treatment that works instead of trying many different treatments. It is amazing what can be accomplished.
gagalzone8
Original Author
6 years ago
Virginia, I hope all goes well with you and that you stay cancer free! I have enjoyed reading post from you and others about Roses. So informative! Roseseek, just wait, I may rent a UHaul and come sneaking in your yard for roses! I bet it is heaven!
User
6 years ago
Thanks gagal, I appreciate your good wishes. Keeping my fingers crossed for your sister, also.

I think I should warn you, though, that roseseek has 5 (five) yappy dogs. I don't think sneaking will be an option, but he does grow some great stuff!

Virginia
gagalzone8
Original Author
6 years ago
LOL! I have two yappers and they would get along just fine!
roseseek
6 years ago
That would be QUITE interesting! While it's always fun getting to meet the face behind the name (and other like-minded "rose nuts"), two of these will bark at anyone who isn't me while the other three will bark at ME and anyone who isn't "their person". My two bark at the other person, too. All five bark (and attack) anyone/anything that lands in the yard and isn't invited. Though the four girls are easy, "El Diablo Negro", who is 18 and mostly blind, has very advanced radar and is guaranteed to draw blood if he doesn't know you and you MOVE. Still wanna rent that truck? LOL!
gagalzone8
Original Author
6 years ago
LOL! As much as I would love to see your goodies, the simple fact is the drive would take days! My girls wouldn't bite a flea. They think everyone that come is there to see them. They will bark when someone comes to the door, but its with excitement to meet a new friend. My hubby trains & competes hunting dogs (we have a kennel) so we are very dog savy! I am an aussie lover and did rescue for ARPH for years. I now work with a small foster based rescue here and it is such a struggle to place dogs in small towns.
gagalzone8
Original Author
6 years ago
But....if I ever did get that way, I sure would love to look over your fence! I bet it is a fairy land! Virginia, same with you, I bet you have your own little Eden. Yes, I am green with envy!
User
6 years ago
gagal, it may be too late, but I hope you called ARE about Crepuscule. Even though it said 'sold out' on their web site, Lisa says she just ordered one from them on sale.

http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/4667690/antique-roses-emporium-sale?n=13

Virginia
Lisa Adams
6 years ago
Yes, I did. I just read this post for the first time, and was about to suggest that you give them a call, gagal. That is, if you are still looking for one. If you call quickly, I think you have a good chance at getting one. When the woman on the phone told me "yes" they DID have Crepuscule, she asked, "How many would you like?" I take that to mean that they had more than one available. Lisa
Kelly Tregaskis Collova
6 years ago
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If that one is sold out nahema is a pink Thornless climber that smells divine!!
gagalzone8
Original Author
6 years ago
Sorry for the delay in answering...my brother in law passed away after a long illness. My sister in law just had a triple bypass on top of other health issues..so we have been helping her. (she can't stay alone) Thanks for the tip about Crep! I will try them tomorrow. (back at the office and swamped playing catch up! lol Kelly, H have Nahema and have enjoyed the few blooms I have had. She is still young and not putting out new growth from the ground...but does send out shoots with buds. I am now cutting off the buds to focus on root growth. Very healthy, just hasn't taken hold, I guess...
User
6 years ago
Wow- it sounds like things are really hectic over there; I hope you are able to snag a Crepuscule on sale, and I also hope you are able to catch your breath and de-stress in your garden soon.

You have my condolences on the loss of you brother-in-law, and best wishes for your sister-in-law.

Virginia
gagalzone8
Original Author
6 years ago
Thank you Virginia..it's always hard to lose a loved one, but sometimes it can be a relief to see them at peace...we have a small family, but we certainly rally and care for the ones that need it. I am going on a MUCH needed vacation with my sisters and families next week...truly looking forward to some down time...starting to get a little weary and desperately need a recharge! I am really looking forward to time with the sisters..wacky fun crew! lol Just so thankful my twin is feeling so good! A week of craziness is just what the doctor ordered!
roseseek
6 years ago
Blessings on the vacation, Gagal! Have a ball, let it all go and come home safely!
User
6 years ago
It sounds like y'all all deserve some vacation time, and I hope you can recharge your batteries and enjoy each others' company while sharing memories of your brother-in-law.

Much love to you all,

Virginia

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